Problematic 06/07 Posting

[C-dub]

Remember folks, different rules apply to the owner of an establishment versus another when it comes to carrying a firearm at that establishment. IIRC

I understand that, but in this case, I'm assuming that the café owner does not own the racetrack. So could he (or she) carry on the premises of a racetrack just because they are leasing a portion of a building for their café? Or, would the fact that it is leased to, and controlled by, someone other than the racetrack mean that this portion of the building does not meet the definition of "premises of a racetrack"?

I'm not certain of any of that. I also wouldn't carry away on just the oral notification of just the waitress even if she were the owner. I would want it in writing.

However, in this particular circumstance, the restaurant being part of the premises of a racetrack, that is definitely off limits, I still wouldn't carry because I don't believe even the owner of that restaurant can give me permission to violate the law. That's just my opinion and is worth less than the following smiley.

[oljames3]

Are offices for a company that operates a racetrack off limits as a racetrack? Are school administrative buildings off limits as a school? Is the tax office off limits if it's in the same building as the court?

P.S. What part of "shall not be infringed" do government dimwits not understand?

Texas AG decided that ISD admin building is off limits to concealed and open carry.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/fi ... n_Bldg.pdf

[rotor]

May be a problematic sign but I wouldn't carry past it. Racetrack plus 06/07 signs. Nope.

[steveincowtown]

Need to re-title this thread "Problematic Restaurant Waitress"

Restaurant in on Racetrack grounds, Racetracks are a no go, end of story for me.

[ScottDLS]

Remember folks, different rules apply to the owner of an establishment versus another when it comes to carrying a firearm at that establishment. IIRC

I understand that, but in this case, I'm assuming that the café owner does not own the racetrack. So could he (or she) carry on the premises of a racetrack just because they are leasing a portion of a building for their café? Or, would the fact that it is leased to, and controlled by, someone other than the racetrack mean that this portion of the building does not meet the definition of "premises of a racetrack"?

That's what I'm saying....but "test case" .

[ScottDLS]

Need to re-title this thread "Problematic Restaurant Waitress"

Restaurant in on Racetrack grounds, Racetracks are a no go, end of story for me.

What portion of 46.03 makes a café on the "grounds" of a Racetrack a non go? Perhaps the same one that makes a multi use building off limits due to having a court office in it.

[steveincowtown]

Need to re-title this thread "Problematic Restaurant Waitress"

Restaurant in on Racetrack grounds, Racetracks are a no go, end of story for me.

What portion of 46.03 makes a café on the "grounds" of a Racetrack a non go? Perhaps the same one that makes a multi use building off limits due to having a court office in it.

Bad verbiage on my part, should have said Premises.

(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

No matter whom occupies it, the building is on Racetrack property.

[ScottDLS]

Need to re-title this thread "Problematic Restaurant Waitress"

Restaurant in on Racetrack grounds, Racetracks are a no go, end of story for me.

What portion of 46.03 makes a café on the "grounds" of a Racetrack a non go? Perhaps the same one that makes a multi use building off limits due to having a court office in it.

Bad verbiage on my part, should have said Premises.

(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

No matter whom occupies it, the building is on Racetrack property.

Right, but 46.03 doesn't talk about Racetrack "property", it talks about racetrack premises. So the relevant question is whether the café is part of the "premises" as defined in 46.035 definition. My guess is if you could place wagers in the café it would be, but otherwise maybe not.

(4) on the premises of a racetrack;

[Ameer]

Texas AG decided that ISD admin building is off limits to concealed and open carry.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/fi ... n_Bldg.pdf

If office buildings are schools then zoos and museums are probably schools too. Meanwhile he still hasn't fined a single government agency, municipality or county for posting 30.06 signs.

Another politician to vote against in 2018.

[ScottDLS]

Texas AG decided that ISD admin building is off limits to concealed and open carry.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/fi ... n_Bldg.pdf

If office buildings are schools then zoos and museums are probably schools too. Meanwhile he still hasn't fined a single government agency, municipality or county for posting 30.06 signs.

Another politician to vote against in 2018.

Maybe zoos are parimutuel Racetracks too!

[Boxerrider]

I have to pay an admission fee to get to the race trace, correct? If I do not have to pay that fee to get into the restaurant, then I do not consider myself to be on the premises of the race track.

Jeff