Since I don't like the food that much, the incident gave me an excuse to take my wife there

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G.A. Heath wrote:What is legal, and what affects someone's perception are not always one and the same. If the licensee did not attempt to deescalate the situation or attempt to flee he was still legal to use deadly force, but the firefighter could easily have mistaken him for the aggressor if he didn't attempt one or both of those actions. This does however motivate the firefighter to take action to defend himself. Lets look at the situation a little differently.
Your sitting at a table eating in this establishment. You notice people arguing and suddenly someone pulls a gun and shoots one of the others. You have precisely one active shooter, you don't really know if they are the good guy or the bad guy but they are potentially a threat to you and/or your family. What do you do? Think about this scenario from the view point of being armed (CHL or LEO) and from the viewpoint of being unarmed. Thinking about your anticipated reaction to that scenario is why attempting to deescalate and/or flee is still important even though there is no legal requirement to do so. We are still in the "Stay alive" mode here and not even thinking about staying out of jail. Deploying your weapon in any situation can potentially get you attacked (and even shot) by other good guys trying to stop a perceived threat.
The last time that I thought I was a robbery target, a man approached me at a walk-up ATM after I had inserted my card. I don't know where he had been before that, but he clearly timed his approach. (I hate using walk-up ATMs, but sometimes it is necessary.)HD76 wrote:So is this part of the reason that some trainers recommend yelling when confronted? I am thinking of stuff like they had on PDTV when it was on. Something as simple as "STOP! STOP! STOP!" You are clearly letting the attacker not to approach you, ...
That, and it increases the number of witnesses to the event. I very recently had a chance to get some training that has greatly influenced my thinking, the most interesting thing about the opportunity I got is that we never once fired a weapon. The training was only about interacting with other participants, and blue guns were used for the entire class.HD76 wrote:So is this part of the reason that some trainers recommend yelling when confronted? I am thinking of stuff like they had on PDTV when it was on. Something as simple as "STOP! STOP! STOP!" You are clearly letting the attacker not to approach you, I would also think it would serve to notify bystanders that you are the one being attacked. Even if you are the one with the gun, and the other guy(s) are unarmed or armed with a lesser weapon, it would seem to clearly identify who the aggressor is.
it happend too fast! the firefighter almost got us all shot when he tackled the shooter the gun fell n the other guys could have got it and shot us too!
That depends. Do I have a batman license or a CHL?G.A. Heath wrote:Your sitting at a table eating in this establishment. You notice people arguing and suddenly someone pulls a gun and shoots one of the others. You have precisely one active shooter, you don't really know if they are the good guy or the bad guy but they are potentially a threat to you and/or your family. What do you do?
Not to quibble too much, but a 1-inch steel knife is more than enough to kill an adult human. The carotid artery is pretty close to the surface, and any arterial nick is life-threatening unless treated promptly and properly.MojoTexas wrote:The article doesn't mention what kind of knife was being used....was it a sharp "combat" knife, or was it a steak knife, or was it a plastic butter knife like you get in a fast food restaurant? In other words, how big of a threat was it?
+1seamusTX wrote:Not to quibble too much, but a 1-inch steel knife is more than enough to kill an adult human. The carotid artery is pretty close to the surface, and any arterial nick is life-threatening unless treated promptly and properly.MojoTexas wrote:The article doesn't mention what kind of knife was being used....was it a sharp "combat" knife, or was it a steak knife, or was it a plastic butter knife like you get in a fast food restaurant? In other words, how big of a threat was it?
Oh I know, and I agree...but a lot would still depend on what kind of knife it was, and how willing (and able) the BG was at using the knife. In the past I've had some martial arts and self-defense training (Kenpo karate, a little ju-jitsu), and I'm also not a little guy at 6'6" and 280 lbs. I am not a macho "tough guy" by any stretch of the imagination, but I have had some training as well as perhaps an advantage of size to call upon that would help me prevent my neck from being cut with a 1" knife by a smaller opponent. That doesn't mean I *WANT* to get into a fight unarmed against a knife-wielding bad guy...it just means that I'm not as worried about it as I might have been without having been trained to handle a situation like that.seamusTX wrote:Not to quibble too much, but a 1-inch steel knife is more than enough to kill an adult human. The carotid artery is pretty close to the surface, and any arterial nick is life-threatening unless treated promptly and properly.MojoTexas wrote:The article doesn't mention what kind of knife was being used....was it a sharp "combat" knife, or was it a steak knife, or was it a plastic butter knife like you get in a fast food restaurant? In other words, how big of a threat was it?
They shank each other in prison with knives made from improvised scraps of metal. Then they get paroled.MojoTexas wrote:Oh I know, and I agree...but a lot would still depend on what kind of knife it was, and how willing (and able) the BG was at using the knife.
If it was a plastic spork all bets are off. That nightmare scenario is EXACTLY the reason I carry extra mags.MojoTexas wrote: The article doesn't mention what kind of knife was being used....was it a sharp "combat" knife, or was it a steak knife, or was it a plastic butter knife like you get in a fast food restaurant? In other words, how big of a threat was it?
esxmarkc wrote:If it was a plastic spork all bets are off. That nightmare scenario is EXACTLY the reason I carry extra mags.MojoTexas wrote: The article doesn't mention what kind of knife was being used....was it a sharp "combat" knife, or was it a steak knife, or was it a plastic butter knife like you get in a fast food restaurant? In other words, how big of a threat was it?