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JP171 wrote:I prefer the dry lake bed aournd Al Asad Airbase Iraq, really good place to loose things

Also a good place to tighten them with a "tune up"

sjfcontrol wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: It is my fervent prayer that he prevails. It is my equally fervent prayer that his tormentors—particularly the attorneys involved—choke on a bone.

Perhaps you should just "Wish them into the Corn Field..."!

Works for me.

I think what is going on here is that Zimmer no longer trusts the system because he was ultimated charged with a crime mainly because of public pressure and a fear on the part of the DA that there would be riots if she didn't have him charged with a crime - she is an idiot - what does she think is going to happen when he is found non-guilty? Pray they are not as big and as visious as the Rodeny King LA riots). He has no reason to trust the system anymore and I am sure he has considered taking the money, his second passport and fleeing the country if he felt he was being railroaded - and I think he is about 80% the way to feeling like he is being be railroaded, becasue quite frankly, I think he is. I don't give a rats rear end how it came to be, if some one is beating your hear into the concrete, you have a right to defend yourself. How many of you, if you found yourself in exactly the same situation, would do different. Sure many of us would have never left the car, but we don't yet know how or why he did leave the car. If Zimmer is convicted of murder, we can all start kissing our right to self defense goodbye. All that being said, I think they a have about 2% chance of convicting unless some new earth shaking evidnece comes to light to show that Zimmer's intention was to provoke a confrontation so that he could shoot Martin. I don't think he did. Zimmer doesn't seem to be the bightest fellow around, but I don't think he is that stupid. Certain people have tried to use this to start a race war and destroy half a century of progress, and in my opinon they shoud be sought out and prosectured for trying to incite a riot - now that would be justice. What is going on now is not justice in my opinion.

Back to Square One: A CHL is not a Batman license.

Zimmerman, bless his well intentioned heart, had no business leaving his vehicle after he called in. Now that y'all have seen this incident start to unfurl; no mommy or daddy bailouts, what would y'all do. eh?

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Would you or I have even been out there doing what Zimmerman, bless his heart, was doing to start with?

Florida Dangling their chads a bit more? Sounds like a money grab by a bunch of crooked anti-gun, anti-Hispanic politicians... Stealing funds from those who directed them his direction for his defense benefit. That fund was not part of his normal income, which I doubt he has at this time. There's a reason he received those donations. Wonder what the best way to protect such donations would be...

Further. Are they trying to test his metal? Trying to push him over the edge and break him? Push him to a real crime? Seems like it.

And who really cares about a second passport, as if that is really an issue? He's pretty much already locked down and probably already has a significant population of hoody-wearing-weed-smoking-illiterate-drop-out-punks keeping track of him...

Oldgringo wrote:Back to Square One: A CHL is not a Batman license.

Zimmerman, bless his well intentioned heart, had no business leaving his vehicle after he called in. Now that y'all have seen this incident start to unfurl; no mommy or daddy bailouts, what would y'all do. eh?

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Would you or I have even been out there doing what Zimmerman, bless his heart, was doing to start with?

You know, there are people that say we have no business carrying a gun.

Saying, even believing , something doens't make it so.

gdanaher wrote:Living at the county jail could keep him from ever seeing a trial date. Shameful.

This is the only point I'm responding too -

In my experience, those currently incarcerated get to trial sooner than those out on bond. In my county, it is at least a year quicker. I think they have to try within 90 days or let out on a PR bond...it's likely somewhere in CCP but I am packing to take the fam to Disney so I'm not going to hunt for it right now.

...y'all be safe and have fun!!! bring us some pictures back!!!

Oldgringo wrote:Zimmerman, bless his well intentioned heart, had no business leaving his vehicle after he called in. Now that y'all have seen this incident start to unfurl; no mommy or daddy bailouts, what would y'all do. eh?

Some people would say a fifteen year old girl has no business being out of her house after curfew. That doesn't mean a thug who was kicked out of school multiple times, for drugs and stealing, has some kind of perverted right to knock her down, jump on top of her and start pounding something into something else. Also, if she's attacked, her right to self defense against aggravated assault (or sexual assault) isn't diminished because she didn't obey mommy.

gigag04 wrote:

gdanaher wrote:Living at the county jail could keep him from ever seeing a trial date. Shameful.

This is the only point I'm responding too -

In my experience, those currently incarcerated get to trial sooner than those out on bond. In my county, it is at least a year quicker. I think they have to try within 90 days or let out on a PR bond...it's likely somewhere in CCP but I am packing to take the fam to Disney so I'm not going to hunt for it right now.

I think that gdanaher is insinuating that Zimmerman will be killed if he remains in the county jail, and since he will be dead he will never see a trial date.

Oldgringo wrote:Back to Square One: A CHL is not a Batman license.

Zimmerman, bless his well intentioned heart, had no business leaving his vehicle after he called in. Now that y'all have seen this incident start to unfurl; no mommy or daddy bailouts, what would y'all do. eh?

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Would you or I have even been out there doing what Zimmerman, bless his heart, was doing to start with?

...much agreed, Oldgringo!!! most in this discussion have confused Z's right to defend himself against M's attack, which will be decided in court(if it ever gets that far) with his decision to go past what any citizen should do in the first place...call in something suspicious and go your way...he knew better than to do what he did in the first place...the first page of the Sanford NW Guide Getting Involved with NW section makes it clear...but he wanted to exert himself...I guess he got what he wanted...altogether different from the right of a girl to be out late on the street or a person just going about his normal business...Z was playing police...betcha he's had enough now!!!

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/ ... ndbook.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...follow up on your leads. What you will
not do is get physically involved with
any activity you report or
apprehension of any suspicious
persons. This is the job of the law
enforcement agency." ... even a fifth grader would understand that...

speedsix wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:Back to Square One: A CHL is not a Batman license.

Zimmerman, bless his well intentioned heart, had no business leaving his vehicle after he called in. Now that y'all have seen this incident start to unfurl; no mommy or daddy bailouts, what would y'all do. eh?

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Would you or I have even been out there doing what Zimmerman, bless his heart, was doing to start with?

...much agreed, Oldgringo!!! most in this discussion have confused Z's right to defend himself against M's attack, which will be decided in court(if it ever gets that far) with his decision to go past what any citizen should do in the first place...call in something suspicious and go your way...he knew better than to do what he did in the first place...the first page of the Sanford NW Guide Getting Involved with NW section makes it clear...but he wanted to exert himself...I guess he got what he wanted...altogether different from the right of a girl to be out late on the street or a person just going about his normal business...Z was playing police...betcha he's had enough now!!!

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/ ... ndbook.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...follow up on your leads. What you will
not do is get physically involved with
any activity you report or
apprehension of any suspicious
persons. This is the job of the law
enforcement agency." ... even a fifth grader would understand that...

At least some here are not having their thought clouded by the almighty CHL. Had he stayed in his car and not tried to play cop we never would of heard his name.

TEX wrote:I think what is going on here is that Zimmer no longer trusts the system because he was ultimated charged with a crime mainly because of public pressure and a fear on the part of the DA that there would be riots if she didn't have him charged with a crime - she is an idiot - what does she think is going to happen when he is found non-guilty? Pray they are not as big and as visious as the Rodeny King LA riots). He has no reason to trust the system anymore and I am sure he has considered taking the money, his second passport and fleeing the country if he felt he was being railroaded........

You're right. Zimmerman has no reason to trust the justice system. None at all. BUT...... He didn't flee. He had the money. He had a passport. He could have fled. He didn't. He's sticking it out. It appears that he has decided to trust the system even in the face of its totally letting him down. Those who impugn his character do so on thin evidence.

I'm not saying that he's a genius or a hero. I am saying that there but for the grace of God go any one of us. The very worst that anyone can say of him for certain is that he would not be where he is today if he had stayed in the car. But, it's real easy to Monday morning quarterback this thing. Me personally? I would have likely stayed in the car—but in all honesty, that is mostly because I am physically limited. And had I not been so, even if I never would have confronted Martin, I might have tried to keep him in sight and stay on the phone with 911 until the cops got there. Who knows? Maybe I wouldn't have. It could go either way. But if you thought the other guy was really up to no good and you're the neighborhood watch captain—and that seems to have been the basis for Zimmerman's getting out of his car in the first place—being a good witness might have been the extent of Zimmerman's intended actions. I seriously don't think that he ever had an intention of actually confronting Martin. There is evidence which indicates that Martin, realizing he was under observation, ambushed Zimmerman. If a neighborhood watch captain is not supposed to keep something or someone under surveillance until police get there, then why have a neighborhood watch at all?

If that's the case, then yes, don't get out of the car. Just go ahead and let crime happen unreported. If that's the case, then by all means don't watch out for one another. If that's the case, then Cain was right.......he's not his brother's keeper. If that's the world you want, then don't ever get out of the car for any reason, and don't ever complain when others ignore your own troubles.

But if getting out of the car is the worst thing I can say about Zimmerman, that is pretty small potatoes. He's not the one who started the fight. He followed a thug at what he thought was a discreet distance, and nothing in Zimmerman's previous behavior suggests that he was an aggressive trouble-maker. Hindsight has shown that Zimmerman's spidey sense was right about Martin's looking the part. He looked like what he was—a thug—and he was proud of his identity and overtly advertised it on the web. The thug, aware that he was being tailed, set up an ambush, assaulted Zimmerman, beat him up, and got shot.

Monday morning quarterback him all you want. Easy to do when none of us was there. In the 4-1/2 years I've been a member of this forum, countless "What if" threads have been posted, asking "what would you do if" questions.......questions like, "what would you do if you think you're witnessing a robbery, or a rape, or a burglary, etc., etc." MOST respondents in such threads will respond with words to the effect of "stay out of it; call 911; and be a good witness." That appears to be exactly what Zimmerman was up to. Judging from some of the responses in this thread, any future "what if" threads are pretty pointless. The answer seems to be: "stay in the car; drive away."

...AFTER what NW captains are trained to do...call it in...I don't believe anyone here has faulted his doing what any citizen is encouraged to do...drop the dime...make the call...then stay out of the way...

...part of one's involvement in neighborhood watch programs is agreeing to act or not within their guidelines...same as affiliating yourself with ANY organization...if you're gonna play...play by the rules of the team...and he didn't...that's why we're talking about it today...he didn't do what a neighborhood watch (Captain, no less) was supposed to do...follow the guidelines and report ONLY...

He didn't get to this point because he got out of the car. He got to this point because several professional race baiters and yellow journalists decided to convict him in the public square.