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I'm talking about Condition One, loaded chamber, cocked hammer, thumb safety on.

RossA wrote:I'm talking about Condition One, loaded chamber, cocked hammer, thumb safety on.

I think the question is whether you can activate the thumb safety and still have it cocked. If so, then it would be less safe than carrying a 1911 in condition one since there is no grip safety.

It would be helpful to know the SA and DA trigger pull weights. If the SA is close to Glock's 5.5 pounds, that might change the answer on relative safety.

I believe "Grip Zone" is just their way of "branding" the friction features of the grip. My goodness, all this head banging and crying about a part name on the grip. I guess the BG would just laugh at you if you tried to defend yourself with this firearm.

Apparently DA-12.5 lbs, SA-4.5 lbs trigger pull.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

RossA wrote:I'm talking about Condition One, loaded chamber, cocked hammer, thumb safety on.

I think the question is whether you can activate the thumb safety and still have it cocked. If so, then it would be less safe than carrying a 1911 in condition one since there is no grip safety.

Then it would be similar to a Hi Power which you can carry cocked, thumb safety on and no grip safety.

WTR wrote:Apparently DA-12.5 lbs, SA-4.5 lbs trigger pull.

Personally, I carry Glocks with a round in the chamber, no external safeties, and a 5.5 pound trigger pull. I also carry my 1911's in condition one with 2 external safeties and a 3 pound trigger pull. So I would probably be willing to carry this gun with just the one external safety and a trigger pull right between those other two guns.

I think it's more a matter of personal preference / comfort than whether you "can" carry it in condition one.

it's worth a try. with a low effort slide, and DA/SA functionality it might be a good carry gun for the wife. If it's easy to rack the slide and she can carry with the hammer down and the safety off.

I'd be concerned for her to carry a gun with the safety on, because I'd think that when it was time to use it she would get hung up trying to switch off the safety.

allisji wrote:it's worth a try. with a low effort slide, and DA/SA functionality it might be a good carry gun for the wife. If it's easy to rack the slide and she can carry with the hammer down and the safety off.

I'd be concerned for her to carry a gun with the safety on, because I'd think that when it was time to use it she would get hung up trying to switch off the safety.

I don't understand the concern about a thumb safety. Every semi-auto I own has a thumb safety. Part of my normal presentation envolves a downward sweep with my right thumb in order to deactivate the safety.

WTR wrote:

allisji wrote:it's worth a try. with a low effort slide, and DA/SA functionality it might be a good carry gun for the wife. If it's easy to rack the slide and she can carry with the hammer down and the safety off.

I'd be concerned for her to carry a gun with the safety on, because I'd think that when it was time to use it she would get hung up trying to switch off the safety.

I don't understand the concern about a thumb safety. Every semi-auto I own has a thumb safety. Part of my normal presentation envolves a downward sweep with my right thumb in order to deactivate the safety.

you're trained to use it, and that's great. My wife will likely never be very well drilled in the use of a firearm. I want her to train with it and practice, but in an emergency situation I think that it will be best if all she has to do is point the gun and pull the trigger.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

RossA wrote:I'm talking about Condition One, loaded chamber, cocked hammer, thumb safety on.

I think the question is whether you can activate the thumb safety and still have it cocked. If so, then it would be less safe than carrying a 1911 in condition one since there is no grip safety.

It would be helpful to know the SA and DA trigger pull weights. If the SA is close to Glock's 5.5 pounds, that might change the answer on relative safety.

The safety doubles as a decocker. ( one of the videos stated it was so) Typically with such gun, the hammer can't be cocked while in safe mode.

WTR wrote:

allisji wrote:it's worth a try. with a low effort slide, and DA/SA functionality it might be a good carry gun for the wife. If it's easy to rack the slide and she can carry with the hammer down and the safety off.

I'd be concerned for her to carry a gun with the safety on, because I'd think that when it was time to use it she would get hung up trying to switch off the safety.

I don't understand the concern about a thumb safety. Every semi-auto I own has a thumb safety. Part of my normal presentation envolves a downward sweep with my right thumb in order to deactivate the safety.

This particular gun as well as many DA/SA involves a downward sweep. It's one of the reason that I don't own a 1911. Muscle memory and all that.

Liberty wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

RossA wrote:I'm talking about Condition One, loaded chamber, cocked hammer, thumb safety on.

I think the question is whether you can activate the thumb safety and still have it cocked. If so, then it would be less safe than carrying a 1911 in condition one since there is no grip safety.

It would be helpful to know the SA and DA trigger pull weights. If the SA is close to Glock's 5.5 pounds, that might change the answer on relative safety.

The safety doubles as a decocker. ( one of the videos stated it was so) Typically with such gun, the hammer can't be cocked while in safe mode.

on this particular one, it can be carried cocked and locked. But I would carry decocked and safety off. Like I do my Sig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ0U2FksLbY

Yup, the safety has 3 positions: up is Safe, down is fire, spring loaded decocker momentarilly all the way down.

My statement before about flipping the safety up to fire was also incorrect.

Liberty wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

RossA wrote:I'm talking about Condition One, loaded chamber, cocked hammer, thumb safety on.

I think the question is whether you can activate the thumb safety and still have it cocked. If so, then it would be less safe than carrying a 1911 in condition one since there is no grip safety.

It would be helpful to know the SA and DA trigger pull weights. If the SA is close to Glock's 5.5 pounds, that might change the answer on relative safety.

The safety doubles as a decocker. ( one of the videos stated it was so) Typically with such gun, the hammer can't be cocked while in safe mode.

My H & K has this exact configuration and my hammer may be cocked while in safe mode.

Personally, I like the mod 2 "grip zone" grip. The writing doesn't bother me and grip fits my hands well. Ruger and others have been writing unnecessary stuff on their firearms for years.

This one looks like it will be a bit different so we will see.