Another dumb oral notice question...

[SigM4]

So this came to me this moring in that half asleep/ half awake state, and at the time it seemed like a valid question. Now though its lost some of its impressiveness in my mind, but I'll ask it anyway. I also apologize if its been asked already, but my search didn't turn up anything necessarily related.

We all know that there isn't any "official" language that has to be used when a property owner or their agent intends to orally inform people that they're not allowed to carry on their property. But my question is this; do they have to specifically mention "concealed" weapons, or is a "No weapons are allowed on this property?" considered sufficient?

At the same time, does it have to be a specific and intentional request or what? Say you're at a party, and you hear the property owner talking to someone else and he causually mentions "Oh, don't worry, I don't allow CHL carry on my property." It wasn't directed at you, and it wasn't made as a public announcement, so what do you do?

I know I know, I need to stop eating that pizza so close to bedtime, but entertain me this time and I promise I'll stick to warm milk from here on out...

[Xander]

So this came to me this moring in that half asleep/ half awake state, and at the time it seemed like a valid question. Now though its lost some of its impressiveness in my mind, but I'll ask it anyway. I also apologize if its been asked already, but my search didn't turn up anything necessarily related.

We all know that there isn't any "official" language that has to be used when a property owner or their agent intends to orally inform people that they're not allowed to carry on their property. But my question is this; do they have to specifically mention "concealed" weapons, or is a "No weapons are allowed on this property?" considered sufficient?

At the same time, does it have to be a specific and intentional request or what? Say you're at a party, and you hear the property owner talking to someone else and he causually mentions "Oh, don't worry, I don't allow CHL carry on my property." It wasn't directed at you, and it wasn't made as a public announcement, so what do you do?

I know I know, I need to stop eating that pizza so close to bedtime, but entertain me this time and I promise I'll stick to warm milk from here on out...

Since there is no definition of oral notice, *any* oral notice could be construed as effective oral notice. As the saying goes....Concealed means concealed, so it shouldn't turn into an issue right? And afterwards, you'll have one more place to add to your list of locations to avoid in the future.

[HankB]

If such a case ever got to court, I think an important factor would be whether the person giving oral notice to a particular individual did so in front of witnesses willing to testify to that under oath.

[WildBill]

If such a case ever got to court, I think an important factor would be whether the person giving oral notice to a particular individual did so in front of witnesses willing to testify to that under oath.

Of course there would have to be some kind of sworn testimony in court. In addition, they could also use training records or an employee handbook. Most employee orientations that I have been to have gone over the handbook where they discuss the weapon policy.

What I wonder is if the "oral notice" has to come from a person of some authority. For example, when you were hired the HR manager or your supervisor told you that the company has a no weapon policy. It is "effective notice" if you are lunch one day and a co-worker says "you know you're not suppose to have a gun at work." I would think in the latter case it would not.

[KD5NRH]

If such a case ever got to court, I think an important factor would be whether the person giving oral notice to a particular individual did so in front of witnesses willing to testify to that under oath.

Even then, in the absence of a written policy, things could get messy; pick a former member of management that would be hard to track down and let them try to prove that he/she didn't give you permission after the verbal notice was given. A good lawyer should be able to establish that as a reasonable doubt in a company that can't be bothered to write down important things like the initial notice.

(After all, it would only take a sheet of paper with the 30.06 wording and a space for your signature to make it all official and documented.)