51% laws in Texas

[jackhair311]

Has there been a change in the law concerning
carrying on alcohol premises. I couldn't think of
a place that I might need it more!

[Keith B]

Has there been a change in the law concerning
carrying on alcohol premises. I couldn't think of
a place that I might need it more!

Not recently. 51% establishments are still off limits.

[Hyunchback]

Has there been a change in the law concerning
carrying on alcohol premises. I couldn't think of
a place that I might need it more!

If you feel that such establishments are so dangerous then why go there?

I don't go to such places now, but I also didn't go there before my CHL. I just don't have a lot of money to throw away on people serving me alcohol. If I want alcohol I can buy it and serve myself.

My own philosophy isn't that I carry because I am going to areas of greater danger. I carry as close to 24/7 as law and life allow because trouble doesn't stay put in "bad" areas.

A recent magazine article I read made a very interesting and valid point. In the armed citizen shootings the writer had studied the overwhelming majority occurred in the citizen's own home.

[longtooth]

Your last sentence is the reason many of us stay armed until we go to bed.

[Hyunchback]

Your last sentence is the reason many of us stay armed until we go to bed.

And I am one of you. I'm wondering if there is a way to carry in the shower.

But I have yet to have a reason to give up my weapon to get on the other side of a 51% sign.

[longtooth]

This is no joke. High Velosity really has a shower rig. It has been posted but I dont know how to find it. I hope he will show it again.

I totally agree on not worrying about carrying at a 51% business. Have not had that need since making a life comittment to Jesus in 1972.

Come on HV. Post that shower rig again Please.

[Venus Pax]

I would love to see the 51% laws changed for the people that aren't drinking, or for the designated drivers.

[Venus Pax]

but there's no reason to carry 24/7 in your own house, let alone in the shower! Come on!!!

Even though I don't have the coveted shower rig, I must say that there is some substance to it.
Consider the fact that most of us are in condition white while in the shower. With the water running, we often don't hear what goes on outside of the RR unless it's REALLY loud. And when you need a gun, you usually need one right away.

JMO. I wouldn't be too quick to put a "paranoid" label on the likes of HighVelocity.

(I'm just wondering how he keeps moisture from the internal parts of the gun.)

[Hyunchback]

No offense, but I think staying so paranoid that you carry on yourself at all times in your own home is not a good way of living your life.

Have your weapon ready in your home, maybe multiple ones throughout the house, but there's no reason to carry 24/7 in your own house, let alone in the shower! Come on!!!

If you have a minor in the house leaving a loaded weapon unattended and accessible is breaking the law in Texas.

If you have someone in your house who hates guns they probably won't like having to avoid certain drawers or cabinets or closets.

If you have someone living in your house who has a problem with violence (as in committing and/or threatening it) leaving loaded weapons available is not acceptable.

If you have someone living in your house who is on probation/parole then having loaded weapons available could be a violation of the terms of their probation/parole.

Those are a few reasons why on the body carry is the only smart choice to have accessibility in the one location where the majority of armed citizens are confronted.

That's not paranoia but a realization of the facts. If I can not ensure that I have access to a ready firearm in every room of my house then carrying the weapon is a way to do that.

Also, not everyone owns multiple weapons. Leave the gun in the bedroom, what happens when trouble is at the front door? Leave the gun in the living room? What happens when you are in bed and the bad guy just broke down your front door?

A firearm you don't have immediate access to is not of much use in a crisis.

[boomerang]

If you feel that such establishments are so dangerous then why go there?

If we knew in advance where violence would happen, why carry at all? Just don't go there.

A recent magazine article I read made a very interesting and valid point. In the armed citizen shootings the writer had studied the overwhelming majority occurred in the citizen's own home.

Approximately 50% of Texas homes have a firearm. Approximately 1-2% of Texans have CHLs.

That means crime victims are 25 times more likely to be armed at home, so it makes sense that most defensive shootings happen in or around the home.

[boomerang]

I would love to see the 51% laws changed for the people that aren't drinking, or for the designated drivers.

Amen. I want to see CHLs and LEOs (who aren't in the official discharge of their duties) to have the same restrictions where we can carry.

I also think the "intoxicated" rule should apply to LEOs 24/7. An intoxicated LEO (gun and badge) is a bigger problem than an intoxicated CHL.

[thejtrain]

If you feel that such establishments are so dangerous then why go there?

If we knew in advance where violence would happen, why carry at all? Just don't go there.

A recent magazine article I read made a very interesting and valid point. In the armed citizen shootings the writer had studied the overwhelming majority occurred in the citizen's own home.

Approximately 50% of Texas homes have a firearm. Approximately 1-2% of Texans have CHLs.

That means crime victims are 25 times more likely to be armed at home, so it makes sense that most defensive shootings happen in or around the home.

Great point there boomerang. If the author wanted to make a statistically meaningful statement, he should have compared rates: like # of armed citizen shootings @ home per 1,000 homes w/guns vs. # of armed citizen shootings out-and-about per 1,000 CHLs.

[Hyunchback]

Approximately 50% of Texas homes have a firearm. Approximately 1-2% of Texans have CHLs.

That means crime victims are 25 times more likely to be armed at home, so it makes sense that most defensive shootings happen in or around the home.

Great point there boomerang. If the author wanted to make a statistically meaningful statement, he should have compared rates: like # of armed citizen shootings @ home per 1,000 homes w/guns vs. # of armed citizen shootings out-and-about per 1,000 CHLs.

The article was not limited to just Texas. It very well may have included input from parts of the country that don't have shall issue, or from times when shall issue was not in effect.

The purpose behind the research was to find out what people had actually experienced and to see what could be learned from it. There was nothing to suggest statistically meaningful statement, just a recognition of the overwhelming majority of real world experiences that the author could collect.

There is anecdotal evidence to suggest that in the majority of armed citizen events no shots are ever fired and the bad guys simply run away. There isn't hard statistical evidence of these since no one keeps a track of this type of encounter.

We are now far afield of the original poster's sentiments about getting CHLs past the 51% signs.

I have to wonder, though, if the law were amended how long before the same establishments post 30.06 signs.

Right now it's sort of "out of my hands" for a business to post a 51% sign. "Gosh darn it, boys, I'd love to let y'all carry yer guns in here but the guvmint says more than half my business is from booze. Take it up with Austin!"

Are the businesses currently getting a free pass on discrimination now likely to put up a 30.06 if they face allowing armed and sober citizens inside?

[DoubleJ]

now that EVERYONE has run way off topic, did ya'll mean THIS little chest nut??