Motorist Killed After Leading Police On 1 Hour Chase

[Mike1951]

Channel 2 is reporting that a 52 year old motorist was shot and killed after leading police on a 1 hour chase.

The driver was shot after it appeared to the officers that he was reaching for something under the seat.

Later, two handguns and a shotgun were found.

Channel two reports at the end of the video that at some point in the initial contact, the driver told the officers that he had a concealed handgun license.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/16058336/detail.html

http://www.click2houston.com/video/16064313/index.html

[LarryH]

According to the Channel 11 ten o'clock news, the man, whose name has now been released, claimed to be CIA, or perhaps former CIA.

They showed snippets of interviews with neighbors, etc., who stated that he had told numerous tales about his exploits. That alone leads me to doubt his veracity.

[G.C.Montgomery]

According to the Channel 11 ten o'clock news, the man, whose name has now been released, claimed to be CIA, or perhaps former CIA.

They showed snippets of interviews with neighbors, etc., who stated that he had told numerous tales about his exploits. That alone leads me to doubt his veracity.

He'd be an idiot to claim it if he was and if he was really a super-secret ninja squirrel, the CIA will not acknowledge his existence.

[zigzag]

A CHl holder wlll not do what this idiot did. Ive known some weird folks who profess to be somebody in their former life. Their advise ( clowns such as this) is to be suspicious of one bec they most just want to up their ego.

[vscott]

A CHl holder wlll not do what this idiot did.

I think you are painting with a awfully wide brush. I was out of town until just now and didn't hear about it, but just looked at the Chronicle on-line. No one knows (at least not now and maybe never) what caused this person to do what he did. Simply stating that a CHL holder would not do this because they have a CHL makes no sense to me, IMHO. Sounds like a troubled person thinking there was no way out. It will be interesting to see what if anything the media says about his claim to having a CHL. This is just what we DON"T need. The spin that could be played on this might lead the public to believe what some lawmakers want them to believe. I can hear them now, "Ya see, give them a license to carry weapons and they will think they can get away with anything."

It is truly sad that this happened and I just hope a negative spin isn't started.

[Mike1951]

While we may never know what caused him to react as he did, don't be too quick to label him a loon.

The fact that he was president of the local chapter of a bonafide association of former intelligence officers makes it likely that he had some standing.

AFIO-Houston is a rapidly growing chapter whose members include distinguished members of the Intelligence Community, political leaders, as well as area business and civic leaders.

The chapter was formed about 20 years ago by the late CIA Officer Fred Redell. After a period of inactivity, we have renewed our mission under the leadership of AFIO-Houston President Roland V. Carnaby and his team (see the "Officers" page for more info).

The Association For Intelligence Officers (AFIO) Houston Chapter (AFIO-HOUSTON) formerly known as the Association of Former Intelligence Officers, was incorporated in 2006 as a 501(c)3 non-profit, non-political, educational association for current and former intelligence professionals and supporters of the US intelligence community. The Association’s Chapter is based in Houston, Texas.

AFIO-HOUSTON chapter officers and its members are united and strive to adopt and support fully the mission and goals of the AFIO-NATIONAL.

AFIO’s mission is to build a public constituency for a sound, healthy and capable US intelligence system. Our focus on education fosters an understanding of the important role of intelligence in National Security and nurtures student’s interests in careers in the many fields used by US Intelligence Agencies. This includes the role of supporting intelligence activities in US policy, diplomacy, strategy, security and defense.

In addition, AFIO focuses on understanding the critical need for effective counterintelligence and security against foreign, political, technological or economic espionage, as well as covert, clandestine and overt counter-terrorist or criminal operations threatening US security, the national infrastructure or corporate and individual safety.

AFIO’s mission has special significance in today’s international diplomatic and business environments.

http://afiohouston.com/eventsrsvp/buckl ... gural.html

Buckley Chapter Inaugral – 3 May 2006
The Inaugural Meeting was a great success, setting the attendance record for a new chapter.

AFIO President S. Eugene Poteat gave a fascinating speech about "The State of Intelligence and Counter-Intelligence" from his first-hand perspective. The audience of over 150 enjoyed a Q&A session after his talk.

Roland Carnaby, President of the Lt. Col William Francis Buckley Chapter (AFIO Houston) introduced a host of well-known business, civic and political leaders such as former Governor Mark White and City of Houston Council member Adrian Garcia, as well as several active members and supervisors from different agencies of the Intelligence Community.

Represented were members of each of these organizations:

Central Intelligence Agency
National Security Agency
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives
U.S. Marshals Service
U.S. Customs Service
U.S. Secret Service
U.S. Department of Justice
National Science Foundation
Defense Intelligence Agency
U.S. Army Intelligence
U.S. Air Force Intelligence
U.S. Naval Intelligence

[Bill]

I am still in shock, my wife and I had dinner with this man in February at a Hoffner Warrior Dinner. He made a great speech and was or seemed to be a great Patriot. He was or is associated with stuff, I can not elaborate any more than that because I do not know. His Uncle was supposedly instrumental in the formation of SOS that precludes the CIA. I have to wonder why, I am still saddened by this event. Please respect him and his family

I re-read the Chronicle and it will be possible that no one will be associated with him. I really do not think he was an poser, but have no way of knowing for sure. Our meeting was brief and his speech was about 10min mostly about threats to our borders, old SOS stuff.

[thankGod]

I did see this on the news. I do not know this person, nor do I know why he felt the need to run from the police. I do know that I offer prayers to his family for their loss, and to the police officers involved with the shooting.

[trdvet]

Lets see, he claims to be CIA, Homeland Security and who knows what else. And as for the AFIO pretty much anyone can join. He sounds like a guy you meet from the military who claims he is a SEAL but it tight lipped about everything, talks a good game but can't back it up. If this guy was CIA or something then he wouldn't tell anyone let alone run from the Police and cause undue attention to himself.

"Membership Requirements & Eligibility
Membership in AFIO is open to all U.S. citizens who adhere to AFIO's principles, subscribe to AFIO's educational objectives, and wish to support - or participate in - AFIO activities and programs. There are two categories of membership: Members and Associate Members. Both Members and Associate Members may be officers or directors of the Association.

Members - Current and Former U.S. intelligence, counterintelligence, military, law enforcement and related (e.g. security) personnel (any rank or level), may become Members.

Associate Members - U.S. citizens in private, civil, academic or corporate pursuits, as well as, Americans currently in non-intelligence government employment (at any level) or other military service, may become Associate Members."

[bdickens]

Here's a plot for you straight out of the X-Files:

The man is exactly who he appears to be. What made him go bad? Brainwashing.

As part of a much larger plot to eliminate private gun ownership, a tangled web is woven by a dark cabal involving George Sorros (who provides much of the funding), the DNC, and elements of the CIA, the former KGB and the UN who are working to bring about the New World Order. He was, over a period of time, programmed to do exactly what he did, just like the guy in The Manchurian Candidate. When they broadcast his trigger over the radio, his programming took over. How they did it, I don' t know for sure but they could have supplied him with subliminal messages via TV, the internet, or even audibly through his bedroom wall as he slept.

And he's not the only one. There are others like him all over the whole country. Who knows? You could be the next to jump the fence. Maybe me. This whole board could be full of subliminal messages and we could all be recieving the same programming right now.

Trust no one.

I never visited this forum and I never wrote this. I don't exist.

Oops, gotta go! The black helicopters are circling overhead.

[zigzag]

We ll wait for the autopsy results. He could be in some medication to refuse commands and become paranoidal/suicidal. Weve seen him go at a very high speed and against all manners of acting a normal behavior.

[Paladin]

This whole thing is so strange.

Looking at the video it appears as though he was shot exiting the vehicle, after he had reached back inside... not while he was reaching back inside.

It appears he was shot as the officer rounded the car door.

It does not make any sense to me that the officers, with information that the occupant might be armed, would approach the driver like that.

Knowing that the driver might be armed, I'd take cover and try and talk the driver out.

Very strange. Plenty of food there for conspiracy theorists...

[M9FAN]

A very strange situation...

[Skiprr]

For those who want it, a link to the April 30 Houston Chronicle article with video clip: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5741363.html.

Decidedly strange circumstances.

[G.C.Montgomery]

Lets see, he claims to be CIA, Homeland Security and who knows what else. And as for the AFIO pretty much anyone can join. He sounds like a guy you meet from the military who claims he is a SEAL but it tight lipped about everything, talks a good game but can't back it up. If this guy was CIA or something then he wouldn't tell anyone let alone run from the Police and cause undue attention to himself.

"Membership Requirements & Eligibility
Membership in AFIO is open to all U.S. citizens who adhere to AFIO's principles, subscribe to AFIO's educational objectives, and wish to support - or participate in - AFIO activities and programs. There are two categories of membership: Members and Associate Members. Both Members and Associate Members may be officers or directors of the Association.

Members - Current and Former U.S. intelligence, counterintelligence, military, law enforcement and related (e.g. security) personnel (any rank or level), may become Members.

Associate Members - U.S. citizens in private, civil, academic or corporate pursuits, as well as, Americans currently in non-intelligence government employment (at any level) or other military service, may become Associate Members."

Not disagreeing with you but it's my understanding that AFIO's current membership policies are a little different from what they were when it was the Association of FORMER Intelligence Officers. Membership may be open now but I didn't think that was always the case. He may very well be type of person you describe but, we don't know.

Apparently even his fiance/wife did not know what he really did for a living. She is still convinced he was an active CIA employee which the CIA denies. On that thought, what he may have been was a world class con-artist with too much time and too much money on his hands. Other than this police chase and tales of his exploits told by people who knew him, we have little information with which to make a decision. It would appear that if he talked game, it was a good game, a convincing game that he successfully fed to A LOT of people. He has been a guest speaker at a number of public, private and goverment functions as a result of this alleged charade. And if it is all a charade, how has he paid his bills all these years?