DOES RIGHT-TO-CARRY SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT?

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DOES RIGHT-TO-CARRY SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT?

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DOES RIGHT-TO-CARRY SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT?

This is the name of an article at http://www.newswithviews.com/Nemerov/howard2.htm . It gives some numbers and comparisons of justifiable homicides by both police and citizens, based on data collected by the FBI (in this case, for the year 2006). You may find it interesting. An excerpt:
In RTC [Right to Carry] states, for every 100 citizen JH [Justifiable Homicides] there were 116 police JH, closer to a one-to-one ratio. In non-RTC states, for every 100 citizen JH there were 282 police JH, nearly a three-to-one ratio. In RTC states, civilian justifiable homicides were relatively more common when compared to the number of police justifiable homicides.
He also notes that rates of violent crime in general and murder in particular are lower in RTC states than non-RTC states.
He goes on to conclude that the police in RTC states derive protection from the fact that citizens have RTC.

The author's name had not stuck in my memory, but looks like I should have heard of him already:

Howard Nemerov is a “recovering� gun control supporter. He began to research the issue of gun control on his own, and what he found transformed his perspective. Now he writes to help gun owners become better emissaries when talking about gun rights, and to help undecided people understand the underlying principles of the right to self-defense.

Howard is a contributor for the Texas State Rifle Association’s “TSRA Sportsman� and appears frequently on NRA News as an Analyst At Large, talking about gun control and its threat to our way of life and liberty. His new book is “Four Hundred Years of Gun Control: Why Isn’t It Working?� Where the emphasis has been on rhetoric and legislation, this book includes extensive data analysis from neutral and even pro-gun-control sources to determine if the rhetoric is true, and if the laws have worked...after Four Hundred Years.
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If anyone has not, I would encourage listening to nranews.com from 8-11pm, Monday-Friday. Howard is on there as a guest some, as well as others. They talk about federal and state specific issues as well as gun related and rights related happenings. They have even recently covered more hunting issues too. The replay is available anytime of day if part or all of the show is missed so the time it is watched, for that day, isn't a restriction. It is also on SIRIUS channel 144.
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Good article. When I'm having these discussions with anti-gunners, I'm always at a loss for citing sources and statistics (shouldn't have to, but they seem to need that. Funny, they don't cite anything but that gut feeling), so it's always good to find an article that makes the point clearly and succinctly, noting easy-to-understand statistics and citing reliable sources. I'm committing this to memory for my next argument.
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ELB wrote:He also notes that rates of violent crime in general and murder in particular are lower in RTC states than non-RTC states.
That makes sense. When citizens can fight back they can refuse to be a victim.
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ELB wrote:DOES RIGHT-TO-CARRY SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT?

This is the name of an article at http://www.newswithviews.com/Nemerov/howard2.htm . It gives some numbers and comparisons of justifiable homicides by both police and citizens, based on data collected by the FBI (in this case, for the year 2006). You may find it interesting. An excerpt:
Excellent -- he has a NEW book on why gun control has failed for 400 years,
and other good articles:

So Wisconsin's Governnor twice vetos a Shall Issue Concealed
Carry law, while states which enacted these laws dropped
their violent crime rate 23% while Wisconsins increased.
WISCONSIN AND ITS LACK OF SELF-DEFENSE
By Howard Nemerov May 20, 2008 NewsWithViews.com
http://www.newswithviews.com/Nemerov/howard.htm

During the 1995-1996 time period, 10 states enacted RTC. Through 2006,
these states averaged a 23.0% drop in their violent crime rates:
decreases of 31.0% in murder, 12.6% in rape, 23.2% in robbery, and a
23.8% drop in aggravated assault.

During this same time period, Wisconsin experienced an increase in
overall violent crime of 1.0%: 30.2% drop in murder, 12.4% in rape,
4.7% less robbery, and 8.2% more aggravated assault.

Wisconsin trailed in all indices compared to the RTC states, especially
in robbery (by 18.5%) and aggravated assault (by 32.0%).
Argue illogically (if you must) that Shall Issue doesn't reduce
violent crime but everyone must admit is CAUSES NO PROBLEMS.
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