Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Gun, shooting and equipment discussions unrelated to CHL issues

Moderator: carlson1

drw

Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by drw »

I was researching caliber information, and I found this very interesting website:

http://loneranger2008.wordpress.com/200 ... led-carry/

He briefly covers most of the calibers out there, giving the "good" and "bad" about each one, and then covers holsters and such-like. A very informative and interesting read!
User avatar
barres
Senior Member
Posts: 1118
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:58 pm
Location: Prison City, Texas

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by barres »

Not a bad article. Well written for the most part, but he doesn't give any reasoning for his ratings/decisions.

For example:
Despite its popularity the .380 ACP is not adquate as primary carry weapon with any ammunition.
(sic) Why? I know of many others who would disagree with him on this. But this was his entire comment on the subject of a .380 as a primary carry weapon.
Remember, in a life-or-death situation, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Barre
drw

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by drw »

Yes, I noticed that, too. Despite some of the caveats, there is good info in the article. I especially appreciated the pictures.
mr.72
Senior Member
Posts: 1619
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 10:14 am

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by mr.72 »

actually, I'm only halfway down the first page and already found a bunch of misinformation just talking calibre. At least, much of this information is highly debatable, not open and shut as the author suggests.
non-conformist CHL holder
drw

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by drw »

:oops: Sorry about that.

It would be neat if the members of this forum would put together a real nice "howto" type document, along the same lines as the webpage linked above, except peer reviewed by the members here to ensure accuracy. That would be handy!
CompVest
Senior Member
Posts: 3079
Joined: Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:17 pm

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by CompVest »

Nothing to be sorry about. Concealed carry is a very personal thing. What works for you may be the absolute worse for someone else. So much of the subject is just opinion. I do like to see the opinions backed up with a reason even if it is personal and not scientific.
Women on the DRAW – drill, revise, attain, win
Coached Practice Sessions for Women
mr.72
Senior Member
Posts: 1619
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 10:14 am

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by mr.72 »

+1 compvest. It's always a listing of opinions. At least the author could elaborate on the reasons for his opinions. But some of his opinions are not backed up by commonly known facts, so it draws the rest of them into suspicion.

There are many sources of information about CC on the web, and all of them are like this.. mixture of opinions and facts with little distinction. I guess you just have to evaluate the background of the author and figure out which of the opinions serves you the best.
non-conformist CHL holder
User avatar
TDDude
Senior Member
Posts: 982
Joined: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:03 pm
Location: Northwest Houston

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by TDDude »

The article reads like something from an airline magazine. It can be read end to end in less than 30 minutes and is only meant to be a birds eye view of the subject. That being said, going into the detail that some of the good forum folks are looking for would have turned it into a very boring book and would have been a turn off for the "unwashed masses" just checking out this "Concealed Carry Thing".

As far as balistics, I think his point is simply "bigger is better". The fact that a 9mm jhp can expand to the size of a large grape (my words) makes the smaller calibers much more potent than they use to be so that now "bigger isn't always better". The reference to the Moros tribesman was a very good one. The point of controlling recoil in both the caliber section and handgun selection section i thought was right on and must be taken into account by the person making the puchasing decision.

Regardless, I thought the article was pretty good for someone just getting started and even though I didn't agree with some things, I just love reading about guns. :smash:

Personally, I would have liked to have seen a bit more on gun manufacturers but that's just me.

:fire :cryin
Ray F.
Luke 22:35-38 "Gear up boys, I gotta go and it's gonna get rough." JC
-- Darrell Royal, former UT football coach - "If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em."
Image
BigDan
Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Tue May 20, 2008 10:57 am
Location: Round Rock, TX

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by BigDan »

Definitely someone expressing their opinions and listing the equipment that works best for him. My list would be different but only because those items are what work best for me. =-]
"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded, controlled, supervised, and taken care of." - Fr. TX Rep. Suzanna Hupp
!حان أن أحصل على بعض
fm2
Senior Member
Posts: 859
Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:54 pm
Location: TEXAS

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by fm2 »

mr.72 wrote: There are many sources of information about CC on the web, and all of them are like this.. mixture of opinions and facts with little distinction. I guess you just have to evaluate the background of the author and figure out which of the opinions serves you the best.
Yes, indeed. Some have a dramatic distinction.

I would add the author's perspective, experience, willingness to change and how close those opinions allign to your goals.



How do we figure out or test which opinions serve us best? How do we define "best" ?



I think interaction with a good instructor & good students at a class is a vast improvement over internet text for learning about concealed carry issues. It gets you engaged in learning and involved in a way that typing & reading doesn't. In that situation you can have a conversation and get a better understanding, without distractions, and see/feel /test how valid the information is for you.
“It is the belief that violence is an aberration that is dangerous because it lulls us into forgetting how easily violence may erupt in quiescent places.” S. Pinker
User avatar
Liberty
Senior Member
Posts: 6343
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:49 pm
Location: Galveston
Contact:

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by Liberty »

BigDan wrote:Definitely someone expressing their opinions and listing the equipment that works best for him. My list would be different but only because those items are what work best for me. =-]
The guy lost me when he started worshiping of the almighty Glock and praising its perfection.
Liberty''s Blog
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." John F. Kennedy
BigDan
Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Tue May 20, 2008 10:57 am
Location: Round Rock, TX

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by BigDan »

Liberty wrote:
BigDan wrote:Definitely someone expressing their opinions and listing the equipment that works best for him. My list would be different but only because those items are what work best for me. =-]
The guy lost me when he started worshiping of the almighty Glock and praising its perfection.
I hear you! I own the "praised and honored" Glock 23 myself and I thought that was a bit over the top! I bought it because a friend of mine carried one "over there" and said he'd get it in the mud, sand, water, w/e. He'd rinse it off w/ clean water, re-holster, and it functioned fine. To me that screams reliability, so I got one too.

He's very set on what he likes. The lesson I think we should take from it though is to find what works for YOU and use it. It's like Goldielocks and the Three Bears. Too big. Too small. Just right... Find what works for you, practice/practice/practice, carry with confidence and be alert. =-]
"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded, controlled, supervised, and taken care of." - Fr. TX Rep. Suzanna Hupp
!حان أن أحصل على بعض
israel67
Member
Posts: 175
Joined: Tue May 20, 2008 10:43 am
Location: Paris, France

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by israel67 »

drw wrote:I was researching caliber information, and I found this very interesting website:

http://loneranger2008.wordpress.com/200 ... led-carry/

He briefly covers most of the calibers out there, giving the "good" and "bad" about each one, and then covers holsters and such-like. A very informative and interesting read!
As others say, it's a pretty superficial read but I believe it's not meant to be anything else. One bit had the hairs on the back of my neck standing on end ...
In another incident I was loading my 2 year old daughter into her car seat in the back of my Jeep Wrangler when I noticed a look of fear on her face. She was terrified and pointing behind me. Instinctually I drew my handgun as I turned to find 4 men who had formed a semi-circle around me. Had I not been armed I’m quite certain that I would have lost my money, my vehicle, possibly my life, and worst of all most likely my daughter who was buckled into the back seat
Wow. Like, wow ...

That's scary.

You guys are lucky to have the right to defend yourselves. We don't. :mad5
שמע, ישראל: יהוה אלהינו, יהוה אחד
User avatar
The Annoyed Man
Senior Member
Posts: 26885
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 pm
Location: North Richland Hills, Texas
Contact:

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by The Annoyed Man »

What's interesting to me is that he didn't comment on (good or bad) the 1911 platform as a carry weapon, and yet a HUGE number of those who CCW carry some form of 1911 - as evidenced by the fact that a significant number of the holster pictures he shows are of holstered 1911s!

:mrgreen:
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"

#TINVOWOOT
matrxx
Member
Posts: 153
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:08 pm
Location: Houston_T.X

Re: Beginner’s Guide To Carry

Post by matrxx »

" What's interesting to me is that he didn't comment on (good or bad) the 1911 platform as a carry weapon, and yet a HUGE number of those who CCW carry some form of 1911 - as evidenced by the fact that a significant number of the holster pictures he shows are of holstered 1911s! "

It's just personal reference.I myself carry 1911's 4-5" all the time.

I don't found a lot of his comment on pistol, holster,ammo make sense to me. I wonder if he wrote them down based on his own experience
Post Reply

Return to “General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion”