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Video of an actual Ohio CHL defensive gun use
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:46 pm
by Paladin
Story:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/ShootingTi ... sp?ID=7269
and
http://www.nbc4i.com/news/4819485/detail.html
Man To Be Charged With Aggravated Robbery
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Police said a desk clerk shot a man who was attempting to rob an east side motel on Saturday night.
Officers said that shortly before 9:30 p.m., a man walked into the Super 8 Motel, located at 2055 Brice Rd., showed a gun and demanded money.
Police said the desk clerk on duty then shot the alleged robber, Antoine Stephens.
Stephens, 20, was transported to Grant Medical Center and was in serious condition on Sunday morning, NBC 4 reported.
Police said he would be charged with aggravated robbery.
The motel clerk's name was not released. It was unclear as to whether he would be charged.
Anyone with information about the crime is asked to contact the Columbus police detective bureau at (614) 645-4624. Anonymous calls can be made to Central Ohio Crime Stoppers at (614) 645-8477.
{new} Video Link:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NZrdbSJVSVM
Re: Video of an actual Ohio CHL defensive gun use
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:00 pm
by stevie_d_64
Paladin wrote:Anyone with information about the crime...
What crime?
Oh, right...Why did the 20 year old decide to rob the hotel??? Ahhhh, gotcha...
See, I'm a bit slow sometimes...
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:03 pm
by stevie_d_64
Outstanding video...
Uses the clerk to mask the draw...
What got me is the mother and baby in the picture are pretty calm during the incident...They needed to be pulled back behind the counter quicker I think...
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:06 pm
by Paladin
Apparently the robber is serving 7 years right now. Was his 3rd conviction... second robbery of the night.
Good showing by the guy with the Glock. 3 shots and 3 hits.
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:38 pm
by HighVelocity
Whoa.
That guy has some big brass ones to open fire with an infant between him and the BG (although indirectly). He must have really felt like the BG was going to shoot.
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:29 pm
by Crossfire
stevie_d_64 wrote:
What got me is the mother and baby in the picture are pretty calm during the incident...They needed to be pulled back behind the counter quicker I think...
No kidding! What the heck was she thinking?? I would have been on the floor with that baby before the second shot left the barrell!
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:41 am
by isa268
stevie_d_64 wrote:
What got me is the mother and baby in the picture are pretty calm during the incident...They needed to be pulled back behind the counter quicker I think...
llwatson wrote:
No kidding! What the heck was she thinking?? I would have been on the floor with that baby before the second shot left the barrell!
Freakin Sheep.
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:57 am
by Paladin
I think the video does a good job of showing the challenges CHL's might face in a shootout.
Clueless people standing around in the middle of a gunfight, instead of seeking cover or hitting the deck... having play along with the criminal and to draw from concealment quickly... having to shoot at a moving target where bystandars(including children) are present... and having an armed BG take 3 rounds of .40 cal Golden Sabre... and still make it out the door before he collapsed.
The CHL performed very well in an extremely challenging environment. Hat's off to him.
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:58 am
by KinnyLee
Is it just me or the clerk fired 3 shots while the bad guy had his back turned running away from him?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:00 am
by Paladin
KinnyLee wrote:Is it just me or the clerk fired 3 shots while the bad guy had his back turned running away from him?
An
armed BG who had just committed aggrevated robbery. Good shoot.
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:01 pm
by KinnyLee
Paladin wrote:KinnyLee wrote:Is it just me or the clerk fired 3 shots while the bad guy had his back turned running away from him?
An
armed BG who had just committed aggrevated robbery. Good shoot.
Well, I've been taught that shooting a BG in the back is a no no because he no long poses an immediate threat. But this is why we are all here. To learn. I know I'm still a noob in all this.
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:16 pm
by Paladin
KinnyLee,
Understandable confusion. Lots of people on ARFCOM had similar comments to you. Normally when BGs are running and have no property, they are not legal to shoot. However if they've got a gun in hand and already threatened you with it, they are still a danger at a distance. And could possibly shoot at you as they ran. Therefore the good guys were still in danger.
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:20 pm
by KinnyLee
Paladin wrote:KinnyLee,
Understandable confusion. Lots of people on ARFCOM had similar comments to you. Normally when BGs are running and have no property, they are not legal to shoot. However if they've got a gun in hand and already threatened you with it, they are still a danger at a distance. And could possibly shoot at you as they ran. Therefore the good guys were still in danger.
Thanks for clearing up the confusion.
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:58 pm
by DustinB
You would think the moment the BG showed the gun and commenced the robbery the woman would have at least moved her kid away from him.
As for the BG running away while being shot, I was thinking the same thing, against the law to shoot him in the back. Thanks for the info.
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:47 pm
by KBCraig
If the BG is running down the street, or jumping into a waiting getaway car, it's less arguable that he's a threat. But when he's got a gun, he's threatened you with it, and he's still in the same room, he's fair game as far as I'm concerned, even if he turns his back.
Ronnie Earle might not buy it, but I would.
Kevin