school hypothetical

[smyrna]

There seems to an interest in allowing concealed carry on school campuses with recent events such as the tiny district north of Fort Worth taking a proactive stance on the matter, and just the general "hype" of school shootings which seems to perpetuate the problem. As is stands now schools are off limits as a matter of law, no 30.06 required although some post anyway.

So, if the law is changed and schools are removed from the prohibited places list, just how big of a victory would that be? What I mean is this...by matter of law, any business can effectively ban concealed carry by investing in the appropriate signage. Thank God many of them don't! But, how do you think schools would react if we ever see such a change in the law? Would they be any different from the many businesses that give CHL the vote of confidence or don't post out of ignorance? What do you think?

[Liberty]

There seems to an interest in allowing concealed carry on school campuses with recent events such as the tiny district north of Fort Worth taking a proactive stance on the matter, and just the general "hype" of school shootings which seems to perpetuate the problem. As is stands now schools are off limits as a matter of law, no 30.06 required although some post anyway.

So, if the law is changed and schools are removed from the prohibited places list, just how big of a victory would that be? What I mean is this...by matter of law, any business can effectively ban concealed carry by investing in the appropriate signage. Thank God many of them don't! But, how do you think schools would react if we ever see such a change in the law? Would they be any different from the many businesses that give CHL the vote of confidence or don't post out of ignorance? What do you think?

30.06 aren't valid if posted by a Government agency including a school district or state college. Private schools can post whatever signs they wish.

[smyrna]

There seems to an interest in allowing concealed carry on school campuses with recent events such as the tiny district north of Fort Worth taking a proactive stance on the matter, and just the general "hype" of school shootings which seems to perpetuate the problem. As is stands now schools are off limits as a matter of law, no 30.06 required although some post anyway.

So, if the law is changed and schools are removed from the prohibited places list, just how big of a victory would that be? What I mean is this...by matter of law, any business can effectively ban concealed carry by investing in the appropriate signage. Thank God many of them don't! But, how do you think schools would react if we ever see such a change in the law? Would they be any different from the many businesses that give CHL the vote of confidence or don't post out of ignorance? What do you think?

30.06 aren't valid if posted by a Government agency including a school district or state college. Private schools can post whatever signs they wish.

So what you are saying is, if the law changed and effectively removed schools from the prohibited places list, public schools would have no recourse in banning concealed carry by CHLs (at least not by posting 30.06)?

[srothstein]

It depends on how they change the law. They could remove the schools from the list completely, in which case the public school could not prohibit CHL's at all. Or they could add a clause requiring a school to post if they want to ban, like they did for amusement parks et al. In that case, the school could post to ban if they wanted to, just like any other business. You would not be charged with 30.06, but with 46.035.

[smyrna]

It depends on how they change the law. They could remove the schools from the list completely, in which case the public school could not prohibit CHL's at all. Or they could add a clause requiring a school to post if they want to ban, like they did for amusement parks et al. In that case, the school could post to ban if they wanted to, just like any other business. You would not be charged with 30.06, but with 46.035.

So, back to my original question...assuming the law is changed to allow concealed carry and schools are allowed to post if they want to ban carry, what do you think the reaction from districts, universities, etc. would be? A vote of confidence for CHLers? An outrage of allowing guns in schools? Or, somewhere in between?

[Greybeard]

Quote/Question: A vote of confidence for CHLers? An outrage of allowing guns in schools? Or, somewhere in between?

D. All of the above.

[barres]

So, back to my original question...assuming the law is changed to allow concealed carry and schools are allowed to post if they want to ban carry, what do you think the reaction from districts, universities, etc. would be? A vote of confidence for CHLers? An outrage of allowing guns in schools? Or, somewhere in between?

It depends on which district you look at. In Austin, Dallas, Houston, and other very large districts, there will be a huge outcry against CHL carry, IMO, and signs will pop up immediately. In rural areas, CHL's will be welcomed more openly, a la Harrison (IIRC), the district you referred to originally. With medium-sized districts falling somewhere in between depending on their voter constituants and how vocal those voters are.

[LCP_Dogg]

AFAIK, the new law states you can carry/conceal in the parking lot, but must leave the weapon in your vehicle if you wish to enter the school.

[Kalrog]

AFAIK, the new law states you can carry/conceal in the parking lot, but must leave the weapon in your vehicle if you wish to enter the school.

Correct. It has been that way for a while now.

[smyrna]

AFAIK, the new law states you can carry/conceal in the parking lot, but must leave the weapon in your vehicle if you wish to enter the school.

Correct. It has been that way for a while now.

Yes and yes. Both correct. What I am talking about is schools being removed from the prohibited places list thereby allowing you to carry inside the buildings totally unrestricted. Assuming this happens, I was just questioning how big a victory this would be for CHL. I personally think that IF it ever happens, schools will be allowed to post some sort of restriction much like businesses can post 30.06; and, I have a feeling many schools would choose to post thereby nullfying whatever gain CHLers had by schools being removed from the prohibited places list in the first place. I also believe that many businesses who would prohibit CHLers post the "gunbusters" out of ignorance and believe that they have indeed prohibited concealed carry. Any educators want to weigh in on how you think it would go over in your district, university? No names of course

[Venus Pax]

So, if the law is changed and schools are removed from the prohibited places list, just how big of a victory would that be? What I mean is this...by matter of law, any business can effectively ban concealed carry by investing in the appropriate signage. Thank God many of them don't! But, how do you think schools would react if we ever see such a change in the law? Would they be any different from the many businesses that give CHL the vote of confidence or don't post out of ignorance? What do you think?

A change in the law in our direction would be a victory. How much of a victory depends on the fine print.

The reactions of school districts would be as varied as the districts themselves. Many would holler and carry on that the children are more at risk than ever before, and would do everything possible to keep those evil guns as far from campuses as possible. Other districts would not bother parents with CHLs, but would seek to restrict staff members. Some wouldn't even take notice, and I suspect others would provide training and implement procedures for safe gun handling and storage.

I interviewed with and/or substituted for a few districts before deciding on one. One district in the area viewed corporal punishment as barbaric, while one down the road used it frequently (with parental consent). Some districts hire LEOs, whose jobs allow them to cite disruptive students, while others seek to shield students from legal ramifications. It largely depends on the culture and values of the community, as well as the people running the operation.