Over 60 turn in your guns
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Over 60 turn in your guns
Guns to Be Banned for Elderly
Staff Reports, UPI
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Deputy Attorney General Designate David Ogden is circulating a draft of an executive order in which, among other things, firearms possession would be severely limited to people over age 60.
An assistant to Ogden told us, "It appears that in these changing times, it is no longer necessary to allow the elderly to be armed. With all of their physical ailments and increasing senility, to leave them in control of a deadly weapon would be ludicrous."
While the Executive Order may sound too powerful, experts in Constitutional law state that it is not actually un-Constitutional.
"It's a question of wording." states Columbia Law Professor, Dr. John Braxton. "The Constitution forbids the Congress, that is, the legislative branch, from passing any laws infringing on gun ownership. The executive branch is not included in this proviso. As long as the Congress doesn't get involved, it's technically a non-issue."
The Justice Departmentwas tossing the idea of a gun ban for seniors during the Carter and Clinton Administration, but public opinion stopped these initiatives. Now, the Obama White House believes differently.
An unnamed aide close to Ogden agreed to talk on the condition of anonymity.
"Clinton and Carter didn't have as much of a mandate as President Obama. They were both Southerners, and the Second Amendment was sacrosanct to their constituents. However, President Obama comes from a new sort of politics, where divisive issues like firearms do not apply to him."
"Quite frankly, it's a shame that no one has had the good conscience to have done this already. It's a simple process, and the majority of the American people will understand it and follow the law."
The enforcement mechanism for this particular executive order has not been published. It is likely that the confiscation of weapons will be similar to Great Britain 's handgun ban, in which citizens willingly gave the weapons to police.
It is expected that the executive order will be given around July 1, when senior-related gun deaths reach their peaks.
The aide to Ogden stated: "For eight years you see the rolling back of regulation, and crime has skyrocketed. In fact, in Massachusetts alone, murders have risen 50% since 2002. Armed robbery has also risen dramatically. With such circumstances, we must act boldly."
Folks, I can't help but ask, "How much of this crime was committed by people over 60?" And how much of this crime was committed on people over 60 who are unarmed? And, how many peace officers will have to retire because they are over 60? Where is the END to this insanity?
Staff Reports, UPI
Washington
Deputy Attorney General Designate David Ogden is circulating a draft of an executive order in which, among other things, firearms possession would be severely limited to people over age 60.
An assistant to Ogden told us, "It appears that in these changing times, it is no longer necessary to allow the elderly to be armed. With all of their physical ailments and increasing senility, to leave them in control of a deadly weapon would be ludicrous."
While the Executive Order may sound too powerful, experts in Constitutional law state that it is not actually un-Constitutional.
"It's a question of wording." states Columbia Law Professor, Dr. John Braxton. "The Constitution forbids the Congress, that is, the legislative branch, from passing any laws infringing on gun ownership. The executive branch is not included in this proviso. As long as the Congress doesn't get involved, it's technically a non-issue."
The Justice Departmentwas tossing the idea of a gun ban for seniors during the Carter and Clinton Administration, but public opinion stopped these initiatives. Now, the Obama White House believes differently.
An unnamed aide close to Ogden agreed to talk on the condition of anonymity.
"Clinton and Carter didn't have as much of a mandate as President Obama. They were both Southerners, and the Second Amendment was sacrosanct to their constituents. However, President Obama comes from a new sort of politics, where divisive issues like firearms do not apply to him."
"Quite frankly, it's a shame that no one has had the good conscience to have done this already. It's a simple process, and the majority of the American people will understand it and follow the law."
The enforcement mechanism for this particular executive order has not been published. It is likely that the confiscation of weapons will be similar to Great Britain 's handgun ban, in which citizens willingly gave the weapons to police.
It is expected that the executive order will be given around July 1, when senior-related gun deaths reach their peaks.
The aide to Ogden stated: "For eight years you see the rolling back of regulation, and crime has skyrocketed. In fact, in Massachusetts alone, murders have risen 50% since 2002. Armed robbery has also risen dramatically. With such circumstances, we must act boldly."
Folks, I can't help but ask, "How much of this crime was committed by people over 60?" And how much of this crime was committed on people over 60 who are unarmed? And, how many peace officers will have to retire because they are over 60? Where is the END to this insanity?
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This has the bovine scent of an urban legend.
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The Onion or The Daily Show ??
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Pretty easy to pick out bogus stuff like this. It is just that, a rumor. See http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4404" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Did a search of UPI articles and couldn't find anything. Saw several references to it on other forums. Smells like a load from the farm to me.
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Yeah, might as well tell the elderly they're not allowed to drive either. 

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Guess I better get down to Home Depot and buy some shovels........

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[From the text of the article]...
I'm truly weary of hearing it said that Mr. Obama has a "mandate". Obama won just 28 states, fewer than Bill Clinton did in 1992 or 1996. Carter won election with fewer States than did Obama. A good topic for another thread may be "How Many States Won Constitutes A Mandate?"Twincannons wrote: ..."Clinton and Carter didn't have as much of a mandate as President Obama. ...
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Depends on how many "states" someone thinks there are...In Obama's case...57 (He said so himself)nuparadigm wrote:[From the text of the article]...I'm truly weary of hearing it said that Mr. Obama has a "mandate". Obama won just 28 states, fewer than Bill Clinton did in 1992 or 1996. Carter won election with fewer States than did Obama. A good topic for another thread may be "How Many States Won Constitutes A Mandate?"Twincannons wrote: ..."Clinton and Carter didn't have as much of a mandate as President Obama. ...
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OH NO! We've got a POTUS who is overhauling the financial industry, fixing Health Care and all sorts of other "Changes" and he cannot even count?stevie_d_64 wrote: Depends on how many "states" someone thinks there are...In Obama's case...57 (He said so himself)

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And don't forget the 80wt gear oil.AEA wrote:![]()
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What does Michelle think about that?nuparadigm wrote:I'm truly weary of hearing it said that Mr. Obama has a "mandate".

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That's because the Constitution does not delegate any lawmaking powers to the Executive branch. Without enabling legislation, Executive Orders are a non-issue, unless you're an Executive Branch employee.Twincannons wrote:"It's a question of wording." states Columbia Law Professor, Dr. John Braxton. "The Constitution forbids the Congress, that is, the legislative branch, from passing any laws infringing on gun ownership. The executive branch is not included in this proviso. As long as the Congress doesn't get involved, it's technically a non-issue."
I tend to agree . . . but when I put on my tinfoil hat, this looks like it could be a deliberately-planted rumor to get people all excited . . . then, when Obama's real agenda is put forth, everyone will say "Gee, that's really not so bad . . . "Liberty wrote:This has the bovine scent of an urban legend.
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Telling thing was, it came as no surprise. Sounded straight from the horses mouth. There will be more of this type thing. And it won' be fake.