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This one may make you a little angry...

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Sit down, take a nice cool drink, swallow, then calm yourself...If this gets too much, back away, unplug, and I'll see ya in the morning...

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The gun lobby's flawed logic is riddled with bullet holes

Monday, April 13th 2009, 4:00 AM

If John Travolta, an avid user of his private jet and a reported Republican, were to be stopped by law from purchasing an armed fighter plane, would the film actor suddenly be surrounded by the same people who sanctimoniously claim that the Constitution protects the private citizen's right to buy and own an assault rifle?

That seems an absurd question, but we often find ourselves in absurd circumstances when we get to the gun issue. A hard fact leers before us: on the subject of guns, constitutional meaning and misinterpretation have been mixed together for so long that far too many people think our Constitution advocates things that it does not.

Confusion over history and the law are not new, but our trouble with gun ownership truly stands apart from the rules of how things are usually done.

In our democratic history a process leading to important policy changes has appeared over and over. It reveals a sense of ongoing injustice and the proof of blood sacrifice made by those who experience pain, mental suffering and death resulting from abusive policy.

The sequence of events is fairly simple: Something terribly wrong is discovered, it is then studied, conclusions are reached and a case is made for better laws being drafted.

Once the issue is raised into plain sight, the proverbial ball starts rolling.

Our attempts to create a mature and rational gun policy have not gone well. The lobby representing the NRA has had so much sway over Congress that the politicians run for cover rather than get on the lobby's enemies list. If they do, reelection becomes much harder.

The trouble has nothing to do with the right to hunt or the right to own a weapon for self-protection. The trouble is that any change is interpreted with the logic of a survivalist. Any limitations on what can and cannot be bought, can or cannot be stockpiled, are indisputable proof that "they" are taking our rights away and making us so docile or so vulnerable that "we" will be pushovers when the marching boots arrive and strip us of our liberty.

What is most startling about it all is how invulnerable that species of thought is to true domestic terrorism and lunatic slayings. The logic of freelance survivalists in government or the gun lobby is made ridiculous by the blood sacrifice all around us.

There is no civilized or reasonable reaction to all of the murders committed by urban street gangs or the highly publicized nuts so isolated from reality that killing becomes a terrifying way of getting attention or proving your alienation from others.

Add the fact that purported supporters of law and order manage to ignore the legions in law enforcement who oppose the sale of assault weapons to the citizenry. Why would they not? They know all of the details about the urban terrorism of street gangs and the tragedies unleashed by armed loons. We can add in the documented fact that weapons bought at unmonitored gun fairs are arming Mexican drug dealers who will end up fighting American troops very soon. Makes no difference. There is always a cost to following the Constitution. Enough said.

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But not quite. Perhaps money is the real answer. I think that Russell Simmons, Arianna Huffington, George Soros and other limousine liberals should gather their forces and raise enough money from the wealthy who are actually interested in our civilization. With enough money, they just might be able to put a hole in the bucket of the gun lobby.

Worse things have been tried.

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If I want to own a tank, it's my God-given right. If I want to own a figher plane, it's my God-Given right and it is protected under the 2nd Amendment. It applies to ALL arms. it doesn't say "the right to keep and bear small arms shall not be infringed" It say's "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
The militas of the early days used to be armed with more than just rifles and pistols. They had cannons (do any of us Texans remember the "come and take it" incident in Gonzales?), horses, cavalry etc.
The idea behind the 2nd Amendment is not so we can go hunting or self defense against criminals. It's so the people of the states are as equally armed if not greater armed than the government. The government is not supposed to have the edge.

The government used to have lesser equipment than private citizens. I.E. Private citizens of the 1870s had Winchester and Henry repeating rifles wheres the Army was still using single shot breech loading or even muzzel loading rifles.

I think a lot of our gun lobbiests like the NRA do at times start backpeddling with lines like "oh I'm for 'reasonable' gun laws and background checks"
The 2nd Amendment means what it says. If you're REALLY so dangerous that you shouldn't own a gun then you shouldn't be out of Jail or you should be put down.
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I have read all the fun facts (and extreme costs) of owning an automatic weapon. What paperwork do I need for F-22? Oh....better yet!!! A Specter Gunship! Wait...at Warthog!!!! I can go plinking with a A-10! Oh yeah!!!!! I'll take everyone for rides....at $2 Mil a piece. I'll even let ya fire the gun. For $4 Mil, we can fly over your old house with the ex-wife and your dog! That would be awesome!! Rock and roll!

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What a moron!

Proof that computers and word processing software should be tightly regulated to keep them out of the wrong hands!
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Hey, I am all for sensible 1st amendment regulation. Press right now can just say whatever they want and that is a liability, you know? We can't just have people running around typing whatever they want....that's dangerous. The pen is mightier than the sword so its only reasonable to tax, regulate, and highly restrict its usage to members of the press!
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bdickens wrote:What a moron!

Proof that computers and word processing software should be tightly regulated to keep them out of the wrong hands!
I don't have a problem with word processors. Powerpoint is the software that should be on the controlled items list. Much like alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. :biggrinjester:
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