CHL holder pulls gun at golf course

[mr.72]

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Synopsis, not just from the story here but from the continued coverage from the local AM talk radio station:

Edwin Dailey, 73-year-old CHL holder, gets into a dispute regarding the pace of play with a former UT football player at Lyons Municipal Golf Course, and eventually winds up pulling a gun on the player and arrested for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Jeff Ward called it "Golf Rage".

[seamusTX]

Where did you get that the codger had a CHL? I just read about five news reports, and none of them mentioned it.

For more information, go to Google News and search for "Edwin Dailey gun golf." The blogs are all over it, apparently because the incident involved a minor celebrity.

- Jim

[mr.72]

They reported the CHL on the news today on KLBJ-AM.

[seamusTX]

Let us pray that it is not true.

If the media reports are correct, the guy has serious issues with anger and missed the part about de-escalation.

- Jim

[mr.72]

Perhaps so, but he's an old man and he was in a confrontation with a much bigger, younger, stronger person. Remember that the media MO is "man with gun is the bad guy". But who's to say the guy didn't politely ask to play through, and then get threatened by the bigger/stronger man and felt that he was a disparity of force and required the threat of deadly force in order to prevent what he thought was an imminent assault.

So you know, it's awfully easy to blame the guy with the gun when there is only a very vague, thin version of one side of the story being reported.

[seamusTX]

We'll see. Maybe someone involved had the presence of mind to put his cell phone on record.

I have known people with the kind of personality that would not drop an argument, and were alive only because it would be illegal to kill them.

- Jim

[joe817]

"Dailey[the older man] restarted the argument in the parking lot, the arrest report says, and aimed his .25-caliber Browning handgun, which was loaded with hollow-point bullets, at Nader.
"If I feel threatened, I am morally obligated to destroy you," Dailey allegedly told the men while they were calling 911."

He just couldn't leave it alone. All I can do is shake my head.

Jim, I know people like that too. I think it's testosterone induced egotism. As they say, to much of a good thing can be a bad thing.

[seamusTX]

What you quoted is from the arrest affidavit, which was sworn by the three men allegedly on the receiving end. We'll see what the grand jury thinks about the credibility of the witnesses. Maybe there were uninvolved witnesses also.

Even if the three younger men were out-of-bounds, this incident shows that the first to call 911 wins, at least temporarily. Now the guy is stuck with being arrested, bonding out, getting his car back, hiring a lawyer, losing sleep, maybe for a couple of months, waiting to see if he is indicted, and being ridiculed in the media.

- Jim

[joe817]

What you quoted is from the arrest affidavit, which was sworn by the three men allegedly on the receiving end. We'll see what the grand jury thinks about the credibility of the witnesses. Maybe there were uninvolved witnesses also.

Even if the three younger men were out-of-bounds, this incident shows that the first to call 911 wins, at least temporarily.

- Jim

[pedalman]

Well, according to KLBJ:
During that call Daily can be heard in the background yelling at Nader and his friend, “I am morally obligated to destroy you if threatened”. Nader described the weapon as a “little black pee shooter”, but APD Det. Ralph Johnson says it actually was a .380 handgun with high powered ammunition. Officers also found several rounds of hollow-point ammunition and a .25 cal Automatic handgun in Daily’s ice chest that he normally carried with him on the golf course. “He was prepared for gun battle with anybody and we’ve had trouble with this guy before”, said Det. Johnson.

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=1107190

Sounds like this is not Daily's first rodeo with the Austin Police Department.

[mr.72]

.380 handgun with high powered ammunition

I wonder how you fit high powered ammunition in a .380 handgun?

If the guy has a valid CHL, then that certainly doesn't square with the idea that he has a history of problems like this with the police.

Guess we'll just have to wait for more info, assuming it may be forthcoming. But since nobody was actually shot I don't think there will be any more "news" on this.

[seamusTX]

These oral reports are so inconsistent that they are worse than useless.

Whether it was a .25 or .380, both calibers have sent plenty of people to their graves.

If I were going to carry a handgun in something like a cooler, it would be a big, honking revolver in .357 Magnum or .44.

- Jim

[mr.72]

They are playing the entire 911 call on the radio right now.

the guy is 5'5" tall. Matt Nader is (well, was) a 6'6" tall professional-bound football player, 345 lb.

[gemini]

True, a gun can be the great equalizer.... but it sounds to me like Daily has Tiny Tim syndrome.
A guy like Nader, if he has 1/2 a brain, will not be badgered into an incident with someone a foot
smaller and probably 150lbs lighter. Not because Daily had a gun.... because Nader knows if Daily
kicks his rump... Nader will be known as a wimp....AND if Nader stomps Daily then Nader becomes the
big, mean bully picking on the little guy. Nader can't win either way.
De-escalation is the key. At 73 Daily should have the maturity to defuse the situation. Sounds like
pride wouldn't let the original dispute die. Cuss words or whatever exchanged between 2 parties is
not reason to pull a gun. As difficult as it may be at the time....someone has to walk away.
I'm hoping Daily did not have a valid CHL.

[bdickens]

So which was it, a .380 or high-powered ammunition? You can't have both.

Good God Almighty! Don't today's editorialists - I mean "reporters" - Know how to do basic research any more?