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More carry guns in El Paso - El Paso Times
Will "Butch" Sears, a former Drug Enforcement Administration firearms trainer and retired El Paso County sheriff's deputy, has been a firearms instructor since 1962.

Since January, he said, attendance at his monthly classes has grown from about 20 to 30 people. His clients come from all walks of life, including housewives and business people.

Most, he said, are worried about changes to gun laws. Some are also worried about spillover drug violence.

Clients are also concerned, he said, that the downturn in the economy could mean a spike in crime.

"Most of my students say, 'I have a right not to be a victim,' " Sears said.
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El Paso County Sheriff Richard Wiles said crime in the area remains low. El Paso has for years ranked among the safest cities in the nation.

Violence from Juárez, which has been raging since early 2008, has seeped north only in isolated cases directly related to drug trafficking, he said.

"I certainly don't think those reasons are justified at this point because there's no indication those things are happening," Wiles said.

Still, Wiles said, he was not opposed to more El Pasoans arming themselves with concealed weapons if it makes them feel safer.

Fears about tighter gun controls have been widespread since Obama took office. But there has been little federal action on that front, and Congress even voted to allow guns in national parks.

"I haven't seen any indication that the big, bad Obama administration is coming to take their guns," said Josiah Heyman, a sociology professor at the University of Texas at El Paso.

He said research has shown that often people's perceived fears do not reflect the actual environment.

As in the case of El Paso, Heyman said, crime rates can be low, but people at the same time report increased feelings of anxiety about crime.
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I'm wondering if Sheriff Wiles thinks the only reason El Paso has been relatively safe is because of law enforcement? and not even partially because a criminal doesn't know whether his potential target is armed?
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Great article! Thanks for posting. It's refreshing to read an unbiased article regarding CHL. Perfect article for this forum.

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Quidni,
A Sheriff by his very nature is a politician and can be expected to take credit for things that go well. While he might not credit guns in good folks homes as a primary reason for continued low crime, He does seem to indicate that it might help and that it probably is a good thing.

All that being said, El Paso seems like a great place to live, and I never get to spend enough time there.
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Recently, in an upscale El Paso residential neighborhood, a drug dealer
who was now a police informant stepped out of his house and was murdered
with 8 shots.

Quick, find someone to tell his law-abiding neighbors that there is very little
spillover Mexican drug violence.

I do find it hard to believe that El Paso isn't more of a shooting gallery, based on
its geographical location.
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surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Recently, in an upscale El Paso residential neighborhood, a drug dealer
who was now a police informant stepped out of his house and was murdered
with 8 shots.

Quick, find someone to tell his law-abiding neighbors that there is very little
spillover Mexican drug violence.

I do find it hard to believe that El Paso isn't more of a shooting gallery, based on
its geographical location.
I spent some time there working a few weeks ago, and I asked a few people there about the situation. It was an issue, and the people were concerned it could suddenly get worse. but just about every one seemed to feel it was a lot safer in El Paso and the surrounding area, than it is in Houston, Galveston or near the other larger citys. Gangsters shoot each other so often here that it is hardly newsworthy anymore.

I believe that the reason is that the DrugLords find it easier to deal with the folks in Juarez, Houston or San Antonio, than to face the folks in El Paso. El Paso citizens are well armed and the LEOs in the area mean business. The BPs there are everywhere in the area. Apparently the parrents do a pretty good job of keeping the kids away from gangs, because I saw very little gang evidence in the form of grafitti tags. There again I don't live there, and my impressions are only of a one week stay.
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I know a State District Judges in El Paso, and credit should be given to the judicial side of the equation with respect to the state of law and order there. :smash:
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...But there has been little federal action on that front, and Congress even voted to allow guns in national parks.
Since the Democrat Party publicity department - I mean news media - seldom if ever gets anything right, I shouldn't be too surprised to see this line. What really happened is that Congress voted to rob you at gunpoint again to help pay for the Socialism they are trying to ram down out throats and the Republicans who wanted to push the carry bill finally got smart enough to attach it as an amendment to a peice of legislation they knew was sure to pass.
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I was a bit surprised at the fair and balanced perspective of the article, and I wrote the Times and told them so.

I have lived in El Paso for over 20 years. Sheriff Wiles is right, not much has spread across the border. The incident with the cartel man getting shot at his front door was attributed to a local drug transaction that went bad, not cartel business. Seems logical to me. That stuff was happening long before the violence started in Juarez. We're reasonably safe here, mostly due to the heavy law enforcement presence: FBI, DEA, Border Patrol, and ATF have large contingents stationed in El Paso. And we have a Texas Ranger (takes only one, right?).

However, just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. Many Juarez politicians and business owners have moved to El Paso to escape the violence, and cartel leaders, too, I hear. It takes only a couple of stupid cartel soldiers trying to pull off a kidnapping in a public place to send the balloon up. I go armed everywhere it's legal, and if it isn't legal, I try not to go there.
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