So I had an uncomfortable moment at the bank. Thank God things went well.
I went to the bank to go get some cash. Normal process, but I didn't have my debit card (left it at the house). Normally when I get cash without my debit card, I just verify my identity with my Drivers License. I didn't have either this time. "Will this work?, It's a state issued photo ID.".... "Yes sir, just sec".
A few minutes later I've got my cash and I'm walking out. The clerk even handed it back face down (young kid). I was impressed, but uncomfortable. That's the last time I goto the bank without my license. ;)
Never Forget Your ID At the Bank
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Re: Never Forget Your ID At the Bank
Edited to add: Almost forgot I AM NOT A LAWYER 
Dont' ever leave the house with a gun without both your TDL and CHL. You are REQUIRED to produce both to any LEO who asks you for ID.
Dont' ever leave the house with a gun without both your TDL and CHL. You are REQUIRED to produce both to any LEO who asks you for ID.
GC Sec. 411.205. DISPLAYING LICENSE; PENALTY. (a) If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.
Last session, the state took away the penalty for not doing so, but the requirement is still there. And there certainly IS a penality for driving without a license on your person (though there is also a defense to prosecution 521.025 (d) below ...removed 2009
A person who fails or refuses to display the license and identification as required by this subsection is subject to suspension of the person's license as provided by Section 411.187.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person fails or refuses to display the license and identification as required by Subsection (a) after previously having had the person's license suspended for a violation of that subsection. An offense under this subsection is a Class B misdemeanor.
removed 2009
Transportation Code Sec. 521.021. LICENSE REQUIRED. A person, other than a person expressly exempted under this chapter, may not operate a motor vehicle on a highway in this state unless the person holds a driver's license issued under this chapter.
Transportation Code Sec. 521.025. LICENSE TO BE CARRIED AND EXHIBITED ON DEMAND; CRIMINAL PENALTY. (a) A person required to hold a license under Section 521.021 shall:
(1) have in the person's possession while operating a motor vehicle the class of driver's license appropriate for the type of vehicle operated; and
(2) display the license on the demand of a magistrate, court officer, or peace officer.
(b) A peace officer may stop and detain a person operating a motor vehicle to determine if the person has a driver's license as required by this section.
(c) A person who violates this section commits an offense. An offense under this subsection is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed $200, except that:
(1) for a second conviction within one year after the date of the first conviction, the offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not less than $25 or more than $200; and
(2) for a third or subsequent conviction within one year after the date of the second conviction the offense is a misdemeanor punishable by:
(A) a fine of not less than $25 or more than $500;
(B) confinement in the county jail for not less than 72 hours or more than six months; or
(C) both the fine and confinement.
(d) It is a defense to prosecution under this section if the person charged produces in court a driver's license:
(1) issued to that person;
(2) appropriate for the type of vehicle operated; and
(3) valid at the time of the arrest for the offense.
(e) The judge of each court shall report promptly to the department each conviction obtained in the court under this section.
(f) The court may assess a defendant an administrative fee not to exceed $10 if a charge under this section is dismissed because of the defense listed under Subsection (d).
Re: Never Forget Your ID At the Bank
I've had to use my CHL about three times as a "state issued ID". I was not carrying my firearm on any of these occasions.
1. Buying a beer at the American Airlines Center in Dallas during a Stars game. My TXDL photo ID was expired, and they refused to allow it (the kid working the concession booth said he would've let me, but his boss was right behind me and they'd been cracking down on checking all IDs. From this point on, I dealt with the manager). I had my paper printout renewal license on me, but he wouldn't accept that - even in conjunction with the expired photo ID. (My new permanent license hadn't arrived in the mail yet.) Being a professional sporting event, I didn't have my firearm on me anyway. In a last ditch effort before asking if they had unsweet iced tea, I said, "Well, here's a state-issued photo ID with my birth date on it" and showed him my CHL. He looked at it, checked the birthday and photo, and told the cashier to get me my beverage.
2. Going to Billy Bob's Texas to see a concert a couple of years ago. Again, I didn't have my firearm with me, but the bouncer was scrutinizing everything. My license photo was almost 10 years old (renewed online). . . and showed a baby-faced, skinny, buzz-cut 18 year-old kid. By this time I was scruffy, bearded, wearing glasses, and significantly larger in most proportions. I'd hit this snag several times and usually said, "If it was fake, the picture would look like my face and my face would be in the picture." Generally I get a laugh and immediate admission. . . but this guy wasn't buying it. I used my CHL to show him a more updated state-issued photo of myself, and he accepted it.
3. Same as #2 but it was the rare cashier at a retail store who actually looked at the photo ID to match the name and signature for a credit card transaction. He said he didn't feel right approving the transaction based on the TXDL photo and asked if I had a more current one. I showed him my CHL and he accepted it. He's the only one to ever remark on what the card actually was. . . as he said, "OK. That's good. And now I'll hand you your card back and your merchandise very slowly and politely - since you have a gun." I didn't (I wasn't disciplined at carrying then) - but it was funny. He was probably a 17-19 year old male with a sense of humor. Nobody else heard what he said, so I wasn't outed.
Having a CHL does not mean you have a gun. . . or even that you own one. It's probably got an adjusted R-squared correlation value close to 98%, but it's not "blowing your cover" or "failing to conceal". It is a valid state-issued photo ID, and in rare situations - when nothing else will work - it can be used as one.
Others will certainly disagree.
1. Buying a beer at the American Airlines Center in Dallas during a Stars game. My TXDL photo ID was expired, and they refused to allow it (the kid working the concession booth said he would've let me, but his boss was right behind me and they'd been cracking down on checking all IDs. From this point on, I dealt with the manager). I had my paper printout renewal license on me, but he wouldn't accept that - even in conjunction with the expired photo ID. (My new permanent license hadn't arrived in the mail yet.) Being a professional sporting event, I didn't have my firearm on me anyway. In a last ditch effort before asking if they had unsweet iced tea, I said, "Well, here's a state-issued photo ID with my birth date on it" and showed him my CHL. He looked at it, checked the birthday and photo, and told the cashier to get me my beverage.
2. Going to Billy Bob's Texas to see a concert a couple of years ago. Again, I didn't have my firearm with me, but the bouncer was scrutinizing everything. My license photo was almost 10 years old (renewed online). . . and showed a baby-faced, skinny, buzz-cut 18 year-old kid. By this time I was scruffy, bearded, wearing glasses, and significantly larger in most proportions. I'd hit this snag several times and usually said, "If it was fake, the picture would look like my face and my face would be in the picture." Generally I get a laugh and immediate admission. . . but this guy wasn't buying it. I used my CHL to show him a more updated state-issued photo of myself, and he accepted it.
3. Same as #2 but it was the rare cashier at a retail store who actually looked at the photo ID to match the name and signature for a credit card transaction. He said he didn't feel right approving the transaction based on the TXDL photo and asked if I had a more current one. I showed him my CHL and he accepted it. He's the only one to ever remark on what the card actually was. . . as he said, "OK. That's good. And now I'll hand you your card back and your merchandise very slowly and politely - since you have a gun." I didn't (I wasn't disciplined at carrying then) - but it was funny. He was probably a 17-19 year old male with a sense of humor. Nobody else heard what he said, so I wasn't outed.
Having a CHL does not mean you have a gun. . . or even that you own one. It's probably got an adjusted R-squared correlation value close to 98%, but it's not "blowing your cover" or "failing to conceal". It is a valid state-issued photo ID, and in rare situations - when nothing else will work - it can be used as one.
Others will certainly disagree.
Native Texian
Re: Never Forget Your ID At the Bank
Your big bad gun-totin CHL scared it out of your walletDubiousDan wrote:I found the old DL a few weeks later stuck between the seat cushions in my truck. I have no idea how it managed to sneek out of my wallet.
