NICS Background

[Embalmo]

Guys,

I would love to know your opinions on NICS background checks; it seems from another thread that many are against it. I've really not given it much thought until now. It took me 20 minutes at Academy until I got my CHL and now it takes 3 minutes to fill out the paperwork, so I have no problem with them. And I'm not sure I want the criminal element buying their guns at the same store that I buy mine-I guess I'm an elitist snob that wants to discriminate against criminals in my environment. Sure they'll get them, but should we invite them to our parties? Thoughts?

Embalmo

[cbr600]

If it's your party, you can choose the invite list. You have no say regarding the invite list at my parties.

[Embalmo]

If it's your party, you can choose the invite list. You have no say regarding the invite list at my parties.

The analogy is whether or not members of this forum would be fine with criminals acquiring guns at the same place as non-criminals. What's you opinion?

[jmra]

I posted this in your thread about gun rentals but it belongs here:

"You keep asking everyone if they are opposed to the NICS. Is this thread about gun rentals or NICS background checks? It sounds like you would be fine with someone renting a gun if they passed the NICS. I for one am totally opposed to the NICS because it is a seriously flawed system that deprives honest law abiding citizens of their legal right to purchase a firearm.

I speak from personal experience. NO ONE has a cleaner record than I do. However, because some jerk with a record in NJ has the same first, last, and middle initial as me (I have the 4th most popular name in the US) and happened to be born the same day I was - I get denied by NICS and treated like a criminal by the FFL I just tried to purchase a gun from. Forget that we have different SS#'s, were born and live thousands of miles from each other, and look nothing alike.

When I questioned the FBI and told them to check my SS# or even my military service records which contains my finger prints they simply replied that the NICS system was name based only and if I wanted to distingish myself from this other guy they would be glad to send me a kit so that I could become registered with the FBI. LIKE I WAS SOME KIND OF SEX OFFENDER!

Want to know the problem with the NICS? Felons don't use it. IMHO the NICS is no different than a 30.06 sign, both deprive honest people the ability to their right of self defense."

[jmra]

If it's your party, you can choose the invite list. You have no say regarding the invite list at my parties.

The analogy is whether or not members of this forum would be fine with criminals acquiring guns at the same place as non-criminals. What's you opinion?

Where do you suppose criminals obtain their guns? Why don't we go ahead and close the gun show loop hole and require private sales go thru a FFL/NICS check? Better yet why don't we ban gun sales all together. Surely criminals couldn't get guns at all then. At least we should reinstall the assault rifle ban. After all who needs a rifle that holds more than 10 rounds?

Any other rights you would like to give up?

[Embalmo]

If it's your party, you can choose the invite list. You have no say regarding the invite list at my parties.

The analogy is whether or not members of this forum would be fine with criminals acquiring guns at the same place as non-criminals. What's you opinion?

Where do you suppose criminals obtain their guns? Why don't we go ahead and close the gun show loop hole and require private sales go thru a FFL/NICS check? Better yet why don't we ban gun sales all together. Surely criminals couldn't get guns at all then. At least we should reinstall the assault rifle ban. After all who needs a rifle that holds more than 10 rounds?

Any other rights you would like to give up?

I'm not arguing either way, please stick to the question in the subject-I just want to know your opinion, which you didn't surrender. Do you, or do you not agree with NICS? I believe that guns will always be acquired, and used by criminals, and I certainly believe that CHLs should have zero restrictions, and legal gun purchases should be without restriction. I'm just not sure I want them at the same gun stores and gun ranges as me. Call me a snob.

Embalmo

[jmra]

If it's your party, you can choose the invite list. You have no say regarding the invite list at my parties.

The analogy is whether or not members of this forum would be fine with criminals acquiring guns at the same place as non-criminals. What's you opinion?

Where do you suppose criminals obtain their guns? Why don't we go ahead and close the gun show loop hole and require private sales go thru a FFL/NICS check? Better yet why don't we ban gun sales all together. Surely criminals couldn't get guns at all then. At least we should reinstall the assault rifle ban. After all who needs a rifle that holds more than 10 rounds?

Any other rights you would like to give up?

I'm not arguing either way, please stick to the question in the subject-I just want to know your opinion, which you didn't surrender. Do you, or do you not agree with NICS?

You need to read my first post. I most certainly answered your question.

[cbr600]

I think my signature answers your question.

[Embalmo]

Guys,

I think there must be a misunderstanding-I want to know opinions like: "I thinks it's bogus because...", or "I agree because..." or "I'm still on the fence becasue..." I'm not interested angry ranting, or arguments about gun control in general.

Embalmo

[boomerang]

It's about as useful as this:


But much less entertaining.

[Embalmo]

It's about as useful as this:


But much less entertaining.

Okay-I don't just want polite opinions. I also invite funny comments!!

[Vic]

I view it as a necessary inconvenience, but I would like to see some changes.

The purpose of NICS is to separate those purchasers who do have the right to purchase a firearm from those who have given up their right by way of committing a felony. NICS is a compromise. The way I see it, there are three ways of filtering law-abiding citizens from felons for the purpose of firearm purchase:
1) Let anyone purchase firearms and let the police deal with the consequences. I believe this will endanger LEOs and citizens, and should not be considered a viable solution.
2)Use the NICS compromise system to separate allowed purchasers from dis-allowed purchasers before the deal is done.
3) Let no one purchase firearms.

Of the three, I would choose NICS. The changes I'd like to see are better and faster determinations of the purchaser's identity. I am in the same situation as JMRA because I also have a very common name. I usually get stuck with the "delay" status through NICS because of that, even though I always provide my SSN on the form.

If the process could be improved, I would then have no problems with it.

[Embalmo]

I would probably be more annoyed by it if I were still subject to it, but I, like most of us her, don't have to worry about it anymore.

[chabouk]

I oppose all gun control, and that includes GCA '68 and NFA '34, and everything that has grown out of them, including FFLs and NICS.

Clear enough?

[marksiwel]

My only problem with it is,
*Drum roll*

That they hold onto the forms too long and they should be destroyed after a year.

other than that, no problems.