Outdraw a drawn gun

[KD5NRH]

Happens all the time. You just have to be willing to use it.

Video at the link.
Clerk Shoots Would-Be Robber

Man Pulls Gun In Father's Store

POSTED: 11:43 am EST March 8, 2010
UPDATED: 8:00 pm EST March 8, 2010

A college student student working in his father's convenience store shot and wounded a would-be robber and it was caught on tape, WPLG-TV in Miami reported.

Samir Al-Madi was back at work behind the counter of the Snappy Convenience Store the next day.

He had apparently spotted the suspect in the parking lot, and quickly pulled a gun from behind the counter when the masked man barged in with a gun in his hand and demanded money, store owner Fares Al-Madi said.

"It's very scary," Fares Al-Madi said.

The suspect, who was wounded and required surgery, is named Alexander Brown, WPLG reported. He is a convicted felon.

Fares Al-Madi said that he was proud of his son.

[kalipsocs]

The suspect, who was wounded and required surgery

...and I'm sure he could TOTALLY pay for this operation. Back on topic though, your right. This sort of situation crops up quite a bit and I have thought the same thing about how much extra stress would be present to have to draw on a gun that is already leveled on you. That's why I think drills and keeping situational awareness are crucial because in a fight or flight response you will revert to what is instinctive (assuming a fight mode response) Of course, these are just my musings so take it only FWIW!

[bdickens]

See, that's why we need Obamacare: so convicted felons who get shot while attempting to rob a convenience store won't have to worry about how they are going to afford their medical bills.

[shootthesheet]

See, that's why we need Obamacare: so convicted felons who get shot while attempting to rob a convenience store won't have to worry about how they are going to afford their medical bills.

I don't know if I would have the guts to pull on a gun pointed at me. I think a step to the side while pulling would do the trick because the B.G. won't expect it but it takes guts. Good for the son on this one. He was ready and stopped the bad guy.

[Estand]

Watch the video, fortunately the clerk was alert, had his hand on the alert button and next to the gun from the get-go. From the story sounds like he was suspicious of the guy before he even came in.

"He had apparently spotted the suspect in the parking lot, and quickly pulled a gun from behind the counter when the masked man barged in with a gun in his hand and demanded money"

Good for him.

[gwashorn]

I'd like to make a comment. In the video it "APPEARS" the store clerk is behind some packaging etc items and yes he was alert . He recognized a threat early and made decisions. the robber I doubt thought or saw what was coming because of the cover the clerk had. Therefore he was able to move into action without the robber recognizing what was coming. In a situation where I am in the open, no, I would probably not draw unless there was that element that gives me the time to act before the BG can react to my actions.

In one of my NRA training courses I took, I was the person to do the show and tell of a situational setup of why awareness is so important. Many here know this, but it is the how close does someone have to be to you and be a threat with a knife or even a gun. With another person having their gun drawn and ready low, I did the shoulder tap and run and measured my distance before they can raise, fire and hit a target. I got the normal 20 plus feet the NRA says is usual before the first shot could be fired. I am much upper 50s with bad knees but in good shape. It shows how fast something can happen before you can recognize, make the decision, react and execute a response. In this video it appears the clerk fully took advantage of that to surprise the BG in a timely fashion. That is good.

Like someone else said this is why we train to have responses to situations and survive them. A side step and suprise as mentioned or some other way to have the upper hand. But you have to recognize this is as a risk, be willing to take that risk and be able to actually do it. Otherwise, you may lose. Good work but this guy though, and glad he was the winner.

Gary

[NcongruNt]

As others have mentioned in other threads like this one, the key here is "getting off the X". It is much harder to shoot a moving target, and that movement is what should be done in such a situation. It is why I practice moving and shooting drills during my training time. A simple sidestep may give you some temporary advantage, but if that's all you're doing, you're just moving the X to a new location. A constantly moving target is much harder to hit than one that's simply moved to the right a couple of feet.

This goes for us as well, and if you at all have the opportunity, get some training with moving targets. It's a humbling experience, and requires much more discipline than shooting simple static targets. I don't have a setup that I can really run moving targets right now, so the best I can do is line up multiple targets spread out a couple of feet apart from each other at both level and varying heights and work on hitting them all both sequentially and in varying orders, all while moving myself both laterally and backward.

[blackdog8200]

See, that's why we need Obamacare: so convicted felons who get shot while attempting to rob a convenience store won't have to worry about how they are going to afford their medical bills.

"'Gun control' is a job-safety program for criminals." John Lott

[chabouk]

Good outcome. There are lots of thugs out there who are all bark and no bite. They depend on intimidation without ever having to actually follow through. They're probably the majority of robbers... the rest are those loose cannons who don't threaten, they just walk in shooting.

Mindset and situational awareness are key to survival. If you're carrying a gun for defense, you have to be absolutely willing to use it once your threshold triggers are tripped, and then do so, without hesitation.

[MechAg94]

You may not want to draw on a loaded gun, but you also don't want to just go into Bambi mode and give up. I can see where there might be situations where drawing on a loaded gun or looking for a distraction opportunity that would help might be the best of a list of bad options. It is a touch choice to be caught in, but it is not completely hopeless especially if you can manage to keep thinking. I hope I never get into that sort of situation though.

[chabouk]

You may not want to draw on a loaded gun, but you also don't want to just go into Bambi mode and give up.

You may even want to go into "Vincent mode" (not safe due to one expletive and multiple gunshots against BGs):

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[marksiwel]

Out Draw a Drawn Gun?
Good luck!

[bdickens]

It's been done before. Many times. I'd rather try than die.

[boomerang]

It's been done before. Many times. I'd rather try than die.

I'd also rather get shot once peripherally while neutralizing the threat than get shot several times COM standing there.

[Target1911]

This is where the pocket pistol come in handy even if you are carrying a full size as well.

BG comes up, put gun in your face and asks you for your wallet..............what is he asking you to do????? Thats right...reach in you pocket. By the time BG realizes that you are not pulling out your wallet, said BG probably doesnt have time to reasct and has just got a bad case of lead poisoning.

Yes it possible to out draw a gun pointed at you but it takes a LOT of TRAINING and some sort of distraction can be of great help.

+1 for the GG in the story.