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Last night, my 20 year old son announced to me that he was going to take his Taurus PT1911 apart. I said, "didn't you just clean it already?" (We had been to the range together on Saturday.) He said, "No, I mean that I'm going to take it apart... ...all the way." So he did. Amazing.

He had never taken a pistol all the way apart before, but he said that he wanted to see what makes it tick. Don't get me wrong. He has field stripped all kinds of pistols. He has built AR15s. He recently added a Sage EBR stock to an M1A Loaded, which required him to modify parts with a dremel tool to make the stock fit around a National Match medium contour barrel. He's done a lot of stuff like that. This was just the first time he had taken a 1911 all the way down to its individual parts.

Then, he put the thing all the way back together again without missing a beat. Once he had it back together, he said it was easy. Then this morning he says, "you know, I'll bet I could do a pretty good trigger job on a 1911 if I wanted to." I said, "Really? Go get my 5" Springfield Loaded and do me a trigger job." So he did. He got after all the mating surfaces in the action with a small hard Arkansas white stone, and then put it all back together. It is now a perfect trigger. In fact, I would call it a match grade trigger, which it most certainly wasn't before he did the work. Mind you, it's only the second 1911 he's taken apart, and the first one he's ever done any work on. I asked him how long it took him to do it, and he said a couple of hours this first time, but he bet he could do it in an hour the next time. He did it just for the fun of it, and I got a trigger job worth at least $100, just for the price of raising him to the age of 18.

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My boy is smart, and he wants to be a gunsmith/armorer, and a firearms designer. I believe he can do it if he applies himself, and I couldn't be more proud of him. Anyway, he says he would like to do some more of them, but he doubts he could improve much on the trigger of a really nice gun like a Kimber. But if you live in the DFW area and have a 1911 that could use an improved trigger and would be willing to pay $50 to have your trigger smoothed out and made a bit more crisp, PM me and I'll put you in touch with my son.
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TAM.
You might want to look at this:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/gunsmit ... activities" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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TxD wrote:TAM.
You might want to look at this:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/gunsmit ... activities" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:shock:

Thanks for the heads up. I'm going to formally retract his offer at this point.
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AndyC wrote:Thanks, but no - regardless of how talented he might be. I've seen any number of weapons ruined by people who think they know what they're doing.

Get him a copy of Colt .45 Automatic : A Shop Manual by Jerry Kuhnhausen - and send him to one of Bob Rodgers' classes.
That's a good suggestion, particularly in the light of TxD's post. Have you taken this class, or known someone who has?

I actually own a copy of that book and have it in a box somewhere.
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Here's someone with fine natural talent and the best response is to act disdainful or officious...

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I believe there are several technical colleges or correspondence-type courses available for gunsmith certifications, or at least certificates. I would definitely check into those as he apparently has a natural ability and would make a fine smith! :thumbs2:

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if he wants to design them, get him signed up in a Engineering Program anything that uses Computer-aided design. You can start small at community college, or send him to Austin or Houston where he can learn to design Jet Engines and dabble with guns if he so chooses. Just remember its gonna take ALOT of Math
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Maybe he should get his hands on an LCP to play with, he could get rich if he was able to make that trigger system reasonable. Great to hear that the young generation, especially your son, is enjoying the sport and wanting to know what makes things tick and figuring out a way to make them better. Gunsmith's seem to be a dieing breed and the ones who are around have long waits to get work completed. :cheers2:
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marksiwel wrote:if he wants to design them, get him signed up in a Engineering Program anything that uses Computer-aided design. You can start small at community college, or send him to Austin or Houston where he can learn to design Jet Engines and dabble with guns if he so chooses. Just remember its gonna take ALOT of Math

A 4-year Mechanical Engineering program would open his horizons further than he can imagine. I'm sure you can go far without, but to "design" anything in this day and age an Engineering degree (with a reasonably high GPA 3.0-3.5+) from an accredited university is required.

Ah, yes, the math... I still have nightmares over Differential Equations and Dynamic Systems Theroy... :cryin
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Best of luck to him!
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7075-T7 wrote:
marksiwel wrote:if he wants to design them, get him signed up in a Engineering Program anything that uses Computer-aided design. You can start small at community college, or send him to Austin or Houston where he can learn to design Jet Engines and dabble with guns if he so chooses. Just remember its gonna take ALOT of Math
A 4-year Mechanical Engineering program would open his horizons further than he can imagine. I'm sure you can go far without, but to "design" anything in this day and age an Engineering degree (with a reasonably high GPA 3.0-3.5+) from an accredited university is required.

Ah, yes, the math... I still have nightmares over Differential Equations and Dynamic Systems Theroy... :cryin
But it was all worth it in the end.

Best of luck to him!
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My son idolized his poppa, and he will ultimately follow in his footsteps as an engineer because that is what he has wanted to do since he was about 6 years old. He's just on a little detour at the moment.
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Ok, I'm not familiar with custom guns so explain to me what a "trigger job" is.
I've heard it many, many times....just never knew exactly what it meant
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MedicMan218 wrote:Ok, I'm not familiar with custom guns so explain to me what a "trigger job" is.
I've heard it many, many times....just never knew exactly what it meant
thanks
I'll take a stab at it.
to make the break of the trigger more to the owners liking.

Heh, if it wasnt illegal to do so, I would let your son fiddle with my p22.
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It's not illegal for him or anyone else to work on firearms he just can't do it as a business. He can always take donations for his work :thumbs2:
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Cosmo 9 wrote:It's not illegal for him or anyone else to work on firearms he just can't do it as a business. He can always take donations for his work :thumbs2:
hmmmm
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