Wash Post hi-cap article

[RPB]

Again today, new article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 07463.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tell us your story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/co ... 239f78cfb3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
YOUR TAKE | Have you had an encounter with someone who had obtained a gun illegally? Have you ever used a firearm to deter a crime? Tell us about it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/co ... bb25cded47" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Purplehood]

I like how they draw conclusions while presenting no actual data.

My synopsis of what they said, "The bill lapsed, now things are horrible".

[terryg]

I'm still frustrated by the definition of Hi-Cap being anything greater than 10.

law enforcement officers in Virginia began encountering an increasing number of high-capacity magazines

Of course that would be true. Most guns are designed with magazines that hold more than 10. The implication they want you read is that these were all 'the scary' 30+ round mags. But in reality, they were just non-crippled, regular capacity 15 and 17 round magazines.

[RPB]

I'm still frustrated by the definition of Hi-Cap being anything greater than 10.

law enforcement officers in Virginia began encountering an increasing number of high-capacity magazines

Of course that would be true. Most guns are designed with magazines that hold more than 10. The implication they want you read is that these were all 'the scary' 30+ round mags. But in reality, they were just non-crippled, regular capacity 15 and 17 round magazines.

EXACTLY

The assault weapons ban failed in reducing the crime rate.

"Roughly 15,000 guns equipped with magazines with 11 bullets or more" means "standard capacity" magazines. Taurus PT917 uses 20 rounds, most "standard capacity" guns hold between 15 and 20.

True that 200 years ago a "six-shooter" may have been "high capacity" but when faced with 3 to 5 burglars/robbers, it was obvious that was inadequate. Babyface Nelson was shot 17 times, then killed the 2 agents who shot him, then went home.

In Harlem recently a guy was shot 23 times, then arrested and is now being held in jail without bond for illegally carrying a gun.

You need to "update" your definition to "20 rounds is standard capacity" and 40 and over is "high capacity" and below 15 is "crippled, reduced capacity" you are trying to think 200 years behind the times.

I DAILY LEGALLY carry 20 rounds in my "standard capacity" magazine, and 2 spare 20 round magazines. Been doing that since about the 1980s, not once has my gun nor any of the three magazines jumped out of my pants and bit anyone.

These ban just remove items from Law abiding citizens and give criminals an advantage of having better equipment. That's unfair to the home team.

"because bystanders tackled him"

Among all prior mass shootings, this was the only one where "foot-long" magazines were used, and the only one where bystanders could grab a magazine.

If Jared had used the "standard sized" magazines, we'd have had a higher body count, like at Virginia Tech, Luby's, Columbine etc etc. where no one could grab the smaller magazines which are faster to reload and less clumsy.

I'm surprised they didn't say all magazines must be 12" long, but only contain 10 rounds or less .... that would be a concealment nightmare.

[Oldgringo]

....I'm surprised they didn't say all magazines must be 12" long, but only contain 10 rounds or less .... that would be a concealment nightmare.

They ain't for licensed CC...either.

[RPB]

Here's one of the best comments I've seen

I'm a gun owner and I agree - resurrect the assault weapons ban! Please give the Republican candidate for the 2012 Presidential election all the help he or she will need. It won't pass through congress even if the President pushes for it, but it will resurrect the "Democrats are after your guns" memo and you can kiss a lot of those white swing voters goodbye. Democrats and their supporters sure know how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[RPB]

here's a scary forum, ignorant of historical mass shootings
http://forums.leagueofreason.co.uk/view ... 2&p=100071" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[VMI77]

Again today, new article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 07463.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tell us your story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/co ... 239f78cfb3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
YOUR TAKE | Have you had an encounter with someone who had obtained a gun illegally? Have you ever used a firearm to deter a crime? Tell us about it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/co ... bb25cded47" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I like that, a "newspaper" in a city where it's virtually impossible to legally own and use a gun in self-defense, is asking readers if they've used a firearm to deter a crime.

[RPB]

I need to get my shotgun ordered, see this viewtopic.php?f=23&t=41714" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ATF study on Imported Shotguns released 1-26-11
Looks like Pistolgripped rear stocks will still be allowed, but forward pistol grips, picatinny rails on a shotgun except on top of barrels, lights, lasers, and bayonet lugs will now be forbidden on your shotgun

State hunting regs determine max capacity, so you get 3 to 5 rounds for home invaders, riots, hurricane aftermaths.

[zero4o3]

Encouraging because the ban appears to have worked, at least as far limiting the proliferation of high-capacity magazines; heartbreaking because the use of such magazines in crimes rose dramatically after the ban was irresponsibly allowed to lapse.

so they say its effective

But the ban's impact has been difficult to assess in part because most law enforcement agencies do not separately record the use of high-capacity magazines in crime reports.

then say that they are not really sure, because the magazine capcity is not in most reports

[RPB]

Encouraging because the ban appears to have worked, at least as far limiting the proliferation of high-capacity magazines; heartbreaking because the use of such magazines in crimes rose dramatically after the ban was irresponsibly allowed to lapse.

so they say its effective

But the ban's impact has been difficult to assess in part because most law enforcement agencies do not separately record the use of high-capacity magazines in crime reports.

then say that they are not really sure, because the magazine capcity is not in most reports

Here's the question:
What was the GOAL?
It was effective in reducing the number of magazines in circulation, if that was the goal.

It was not effective in reducing the crime rate, which SHOULD HAVE BEEN the GOAL.
It was probably not effective in reducing VIOLENT CRIME
It was probably not effective in reducing as Brady and VPC say "gun deaths"

So, it reduced the number of magazines in circulation .... so what?
Why not diagnose a problem (violent crime is a problem, numbers of magazines aren't a problem)
Then prescribe a "proper cure"

I mean numbers of cars aren't a problem, drunk drivers are ...
Why not diagnose a "problem" Then prescribe a "proper cure"
What's your goal? True, if you think "numbers of magazines" are a problem, then it was successful, however it didn't solve, nor even help with, the violent crime problem, the gun violence problem, the gun deaths problem, nor the high crime rate problem. So what good did it do?

Fewer people get in wrecks now while inserting an 8-track tape too.
Fewer 8-track tape players are in circulation. yipeeee
That doesn't mean there are fewer wrecks.