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CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:40 am
by Skaven
I attended my CHL class mid Feb. During the instruction, the man teaching the class says that when he gets off an airplane, and retrieves his luggage, he publicly re-arms in the airport. (does not go to the bathroom, but takes his gun out of his bag, puts a loaded magazine in, racks the slide, and then holsters.) He said it is not brandishing because he does not do it to cause alarm. I kinda get the feeling that the repercussions of this may be bad. What do you guys thing?

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:48 am
by MoJo
The man is an I dee ten T. Good way to get shot I think.

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:06 pm
by RPB
not brandishing because he does not do it to cause alarm

Texas doesn't have "brandishing" he means disorderly conduct

but Texas DOES have ...
"intentional failure to conceal," you'll get CHL revoked, get arrested, and ....
:banghead:

Sounds like someone needs to revisit the Statutes.

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:07 pm
by Mel
There must be something I don't understand here.
How is that not "Intentionally un-concealing"?

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:09 pm
by TexDotCom
Skaven wrote:What do you guys think?
I think a) this man has *no* business teaching a CHL class, much less having one of his own and b) he's, as my mother used to say when I was growing up, "cruisin' for a bruisin'."

UNintentional failure to conceal is not penalized because you weren't showing your firearm in a manner intended to alarm. Call me crazy, but I think slapping in a mag and racking one into the pipe in an airport, especially nowadays, cannot fail to cause alarm and you'd have to be insane to think otherwise! :banghead:


:txflag:

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:11 pm
by TexDotCom
Mel wrote:There must be something I don't understand here.
How is that not "Intentionally un-concealing"?
It absolutely *is* intentional un-concealing. Proof positive that this person does not comprehend the statutes and certainly has no business teaching others about them.


:txflag:

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:12 pm
by Skaven
Should I report him to DPS, or just hope that no one he teaches gets thrown in prison?

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:14 pm
by Jasonw560
:iagree: this man is a test case waiting to happen. He shouldn't have his own class.

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:15 pm
by RPB
Sounds like he is confused

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/d ... /PE.42.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
PENAL CODE
TITLE 9. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND DECENCY
Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;

and forgot

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/d ... /PE.46.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
...
(g) An offense under Subsection (a), (b), (c), (d), or (e) is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the offense is committed under Subsection (b)(1) or (b)(3), in which event the offense is a felony of the third degree.


Any Class A or B misdemeanor or disorderly conduct conviction can get your CHL revoked. . (Plus you'd have to deal with all associated troubles of a Class A misdemeanor)

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:24 pm
by RPB
Skaven wrote:Should I report him to DPS, or just hope that no one he teaches gets thrown in prison?
Personally, I'd e-mail/contact him and ask how he can say such a thing when it conflicts with
Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER. (a)
Any Class A or B misdemeanor or disorderly conduct conviction can get your CHL revoked. . (Plus you'd have to deal with all associated troubles of a Class A misdemeanor)

If he doesn't understand, repeat and take a witness (CC a lawyer?) ..., if he still doesn't "get it" bring him before the whole congregation.

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:26 pm
by Skaven
Good idea, I think what I will do is shoot him an email asking to clarify, including the specific penal code which is in question.

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:27 pm
by WildBill
Skaven wrote:Good idea, I think what I will do is shoot him an email asking to clarify, including the specific penal code which is in question.
:iagree: Please let us know his response.

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:41 pm
by Purplehood
Skaven wrote:I attended my CHL class mid Feb. During the instruction, the man teaching the class says that when he gets off an airplane, and retrieves his luggage, he publicly re-arms in the airport. (does not go to the bathroom, but takes his gun out of his bag, puts a loaded magazine in, racks the slide, and then holsters.) He said it is not brandishing because he does not do it to cause alarm. I kinda get the feeling that the repercussions of this may be bad. What do you guys thing?
There is really nothing nice that I can say about the guy.

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:03 pm
by Skaven
I wrote a very polite email, asking him to explain what was up. I will follow up when I get a response.

Re: CHL Instructer says to re-arm in full view of public

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:13 pm
by longtooth
:banghead: :banghead: :nono:
Skaven wrote:I attended my CHL class mid Feb. During the instruction, the man teaching the class says that when he gets off an airplane, and retrieves his luggage, he publicly re-arms in the airport. (does not go to the bathroom, but takes his gun out of his bag, puts a loaded magazine in, racks the slide, and then holsters.) He said it is not brandishing because he does not do it to cause alarm. I kinda get the feeling that the repercussions of this may be bad. What do you guys thing?