Carrying pepper spray

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:01 pm

None that I know of. The smart ones will take care of that part. My Mom was asked by a uniformed, armed, security guard at a bank one time to please put her keys in her purse. They were clipped on the outside pocket. The Qing look on her face & he said your pepper. She has a keychain size. She smilled & put it in the purse. Never told him what was under the lace hankie w/ the corner sticking out her strong side skirt pocket.

We need a knee slapper here.

Tote 9 · Post by **Tote 9** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:21 pm

Ha,Ha Wonder what he would have said had he known .
(Considering her age) . Just a thought. I wonder how many women
her age has a CHL.

Boma · Post by **Boma** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:30 pm

haha. I assume carrying pepper spray is legal almost anywhere. I couldn't see being arrested for carrying it and getting caught. Never seen a robbery with pepper spray.

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:06 am

Tote 9 wrote: Ha,Ha Wonder what he would have said had he known .
(Considering her age) . Just a thought. I wonder how many women
her age has a CHL.

She is 76 now. Dont know how many ladies, but went to the Texasonline.com site once & was surprised how many there are at 80 & even over 90. At one time we had a 99 yr old w/ one. Have not been ther in a WHILE now.

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:35 am

The only laws restricting weapons are in place to restrict "illegal" weapons. Since the PC labels "small chemical dispenser sold commercially for
personal protection" as not being illegal, then no law can restrict it.
I realize this logic is slightly flawed when it comes to handguns, because you have to have a CHL to carry one even though its not considered an "illegal" weapon. But if we stuck to the true meaning of the 2nd, we wouldn't have to worry about that now, would we? Sorry, wrong thread

barres · Post by **barres** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:04 am

The last time I went to Space Center Houston (federal property), they were telling folks to take knives and pepper sprays back to their cars, as they were not allowed. They referenced 18 USC 930, as I recall. Ironically, they never said anything about handguns

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That's the only restriction on pepper spray (in small personal defense-sized canisters) I can think of.

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:30 am

They tend to frown on the stuff particularly at entrances to secured areas of airports and major court houses ...

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:30 am

barres wrote:The last time I went to Space Center Houston (federal property), they were telling folks to take knives and pepper sprays back to their cars, as they were not allowed. They referenced 18 USC 930, as I recall. Ironically, they never said anything about handguns .

That's the only restriction on pepper spray (in small personal defense-sized canisters) I can think of.

I see two things that must be addressed here. The USC states thusly:
Section 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly
possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous
weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility),
or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon
be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes
to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal
facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of
subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal
facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon,
or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as
provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to -
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer,
agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political
subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or
supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or
prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a
Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such
possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons
in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful
purposes.

This would allow the lawful carrying of pepper spray, knives, handguns, or anything else that you are lawfully allowed to carry per state and local laws.

(e)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly
possesses or causes to be present a firearm in a Federal court
facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title,
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described
in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the
United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or
orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of
weapons within any building housing such court or any of its
proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term "Federal facility" means a building or part
thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal
employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing
their official duties.
(2) The term "dangerous weapon" means a weapon, device,
instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is
used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious
bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket
knife with a blade of less than 2 1/2 inches in length.

This would allow a pocket knife to be carried if length reqs were met. And seeing as pepper spray is not intended to cause death or serious bodily injury(some may argue this, but it has never permanently affected anyone), it should be allowed as well.

(3) The term "Federal court facility" means the courtroom,
judges' chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms,
attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the
court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States
marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of
any court of the United States.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be
posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal
facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted
conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court
facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under
subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such
notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had
actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

Unless they were wanding and searching everybody, I wouldn't have worried about it. They were overstepping the bounds of the law.

AV8R · Post by **AV8R** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:31 pm

My daughter is a university freshman this year and lives in a dorm. She has carried oc on her keychain since day one, without comments from staff. I find that somewhat encouraging.