trade my glock 27 to get a 29sf?

[1s1k52]

I have a Gen 4 27 that has preformed flawlessly. Has meprolite night sights that are perfect as well. For whatever reason I have in my head I really want a 10mm. I really go back and forth it for some reason. I have weighed a lot or pros and con's. So just wondering what everyone thoughts and opinions may be. Obviously If I could I would just buy a 29 but I would need to sell my 27 or trade it. Let me know your thoughts. I have heard some opinions 10mm is a lot for CC due to flash, noise, and over penetration. Flip side is the 10mm is a superior round that can be had in 200gr and still exceed 1000 fps. Thoughts?

[Lonest4r]

So many factors come into play here. I admit to not ever handling or shooting a 10mm handgun, but in that size package I would think that it would offer a noticeable increase in felt recoil. How well do you manage recoil in your G27?

There is also less demand for 10mm ammo and thus it is harder to find. You can pick up 40S&W pretty much everywhere, but I have never seen 10mm in any of the Wally worlds that I frequent and I believe I have only seen it at one Academy. If you reload, or have disposable income and don't mind shopping around when ammo is hard to find, then it might be justifiable.

[punkndisorderly]

I've got the 20.

Ammo is expensive and selection is limited locally. Big box stores don't stock it. Gun stores normally do, but only a few choices. Most ammo you'll find is loaded at or near 40 S&W specs. Prepare to have to order the hot stuff or load your own.

I love the 10mm as a round, but you're looking at significant (at least to me) extra expense to make the switch and feed it.

[Iunnrais]

I've got a 29SF. With factory 10mm ammo, it's no worse than a .45acp. I run either the Hornady Custom 180gr XTP or Winchester 175gr Silvertips factory ammo for carry. Using those, its very nice to shoot. The Remington and BVAC 10mm is all pretty low power. If you want to go full power 10mm, I've also fired quite a bit of Underwood Ammunition's 180gr 10mm through it. About 50 of those in a session and I'm done for the day. It's plenty controllable either way. As far as flash, it's just a matter of finding a load that you like. I've fired both the Hornady and Winchesters in low light and they're no worse than my .45 or my 9mm. (some of the nuclear loads on the other hand...yikes). Its a nice platform to have 10 rounds in a fairly small package with 15 more on standby in a glock 20 magazine.

I did pickup a .40 S&W barrel from Lone Wolf for generic range use to help cut down some on the cost of shooting 10mm (and so that I don't feel as much need to track down the spent brass for reloading). It's a kitten with .40 S&W.

What you will find is that it's a bit bulkier than your 27 with more steel in the slide and in the barrel (iirc, it's the same as the G30, just bored for 10mm (.40) instead of .45)

Short version, I like mine and it's stayin put :)

[1s1k52]

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I would get a .40 barrel most likely. Unfortunately I never can find a 29 let alone a 29sf. I have shot a 20 though. I handle recoil of the .40. I also hate the fact my 27 can't have anything mounted to it.

[10mmillie]

I love the 10mm and have owned Glock 20, 29 among others. It's a great round but it really isn't going to kill what you are shooting at any faster than the 40. If you really want a rail get a 23 or get a sub XD in 40.

[CC Italian]

I have both a 20sf and 27. I love them both but I would never ever part with the 20sf. Absolutely amazing gun! Like 10mmillie said though. A 10mm really isn't going to stop someone better then a .40 or even a 45acp for that matter. IMO the 10mm isn't really any better then the .40 for defense against 2 legged predators. 4 legged is another matter. I really can't think of many handguns that are as versatile as a Glock 20 or 29 for that matter. My dads buddy has taken ELK with his 20 with a 6inch barrel and has had finishing shots on moose. You can basically run a 220-230 grain bullet from 1200-1300fps through a 6inch barrel. That is mid .41 mag territory except you have alot more rounds.

Flash is like what Iunnrais said. It can be bad if you run the nuclear loads. Look up penetration in 10mm and it is pretty much the same as 40 S&W until you get into the 200+ grain loads. A 180 grain jhp in 10mm penetrates about the same as a 180jhp in .40 S&W. Some times even less because the increased velocity opens up the hollow point sooner. The over penetration is internet nonsense. In fact in really hot loads the 10mm opens up to much sometimes and penetrates less. I think the only crutch I can give to the 10mm is that the really hot loads are loud! Not .44 mag loud but put it this way. When I am at the range people usually stop to see what I am shooting thinking that it is a .357 mag or bigger. It doesn't sound like a .40 or .45acp. More like a deeper sounding .357 sig if that makes any sense to you.

If you think you can't possibly control it enough to carry it well guess what. Just took my renewal course less then 2 hours ago for a night class with my 20sf with mid range double tap loads (not underwood)and I scored 249, Not bad for a hand cannon.(one got away in the 8 ring and landed on the 7,8 line ) There where guys there with full length 4.5-5inch barrel 9mms who didn't score that well. The round is very accurate and many where shocked including the instructor. Most people don't have any experience with the round so they blow it all out of proportion and turn it into this thing that jumps out of your hand.

[1s1k52]

Yeah it looks like a longer .40 barrel and hotter ammo would be cheaper. Through reading I discovered what was unknown to me the .460 rowland. Now THAT looks nice. I was pretty much wanting to replace the .44 qualities I lost when my dad took back his ruger redhawk but in auto form. Hunting etc. Seeing as how I already owned a glock seemed like a good idea. It would serve as my EDC and woods gun. I just recently purchased a 30-06 so budget on guns is pretty much over with for the year. Typically what I do when walking around (i dont use tree stands or blinds) is shoulder my rifle and walk around with a pistol I.E the redhawk I have used the past few years.

I was looking at some other revolvers in that caliber and for the price I may as well get an semi-auto. I would like to think I wouldnt need more than 6 shots or even 5 to hunt. BUT should the zombie apocalypse happen during a hunting trip...

I personally hate the .45 round so getting a Glock 30 just to get a .460 rowland seems like something I would do if I was literally bored and money was not an option. Two things I can assure you, will never happen in my life time. I fully intend on reloading at some point. I have the rock chucker kit but no place dies, powder, primers etc.

[gigag04]

I think niche rounds are less than ideal for primary defensive weapons due to ammo cost and scarcity.
Ex: 10mm, 38 super, 50 cal (pistol), .300blk, 6.8 Grendel or SPC type stuff


I prefer major rounds used by NATO, Mil or LE.
Ex: 9mm, .40 (ok I hate the .40 but it fits here), .45, 5.56, .308, .50 rifle

I'm not against those rounds, but the big guys are cheaper to train with, and very prevalent. Which make them an ideal choice for working guns.

[CC Italian]

Through reading I discovered what was unknown to me the .460 rowland. Now THAT looks nice. I was pretty much wanting to replace the .44 qualities I lost when my dad took back his ruger redhawk but in auto form. Hunting etc.

The Rowland is a good round but even more expensive then the 10mm. I have shot it in a Springfield XD and the recoil is more then 10mm hot loads. Also, even though the Rowland is more powerful all commercial loads for hunting (hardcasts) have less sectional density then the 10mm hardcasts. Put it this way. A 220 grain 10mm hardcast still has a greater sectional density then a 255 Rowland hardcast.

Also, even though the Rowland guys will tell you it has 44mag ballistics it is NOT the same. IMO the 41 mag still trumps the 460 rowland. If you truly want a magnum semi auto you need something like a LARS grizzly in .45 win. mag or Desert Eagle in .41-50AE. 10mm and Rowland are NOT magnums. Just powerful semi autos.True magnums can load bullets with much greater sectional density then rounds like 10mm or Rowland and have a larger case capacity.

[1s1k52]

Yeah I have actually been reading A LOT since I started this post. I have a habbit of posting something than before its replied to I do a bunch of reading to compare to peoples comments. What I basically have come to the conclusion is I still want a 10mm. I will most likely be keeping my 27 and while hunting down a decent price on a 29 or 20 I may see about a longer barrel for my 27 and get some hot .40 rounds. when I actually DO go hog hunting its at night and usually at a decent distance. However, after talking with a game warren not to long ago about a guy that was hospitalized for a week or two just from infections from tangling with a hog. I have decided a heavier side arm should be a must. I have actually seen a picture of a 600+ sal that was dropped with a .38 at close range from a vehicle. They never found the entry wound. So I am fully aware it is generally about shot placement as well as the round, but I would rather take my chances with something heavier than lighter on the caliber size. I try to take down whatever I am trying to kill with one shot. I am not one of those people that enjoys shooting a hog 57 times with a .223.

This has been a pretty cool couple of days of reading for me. I learned about a few rounds and setups I never knew existed. For example the .50 GI. That thing looks disgusting. What does not make any sense to me though. If the frame of a 20/21 are identical how can the .50 gi be shot from both but the .460 rowland can not? I am basically just being a nerd with it now because the conversion is about the price of another gun so I doubt I ever obtain either.

[CC Italian]

First off 50 GI is a lower pressure round like the .45acp. Basically someone tried to create a 50 acp for personal defense and it really hasn't taken off and more then likely won't. I have seen more Rowlands then 50 GIs by far. The Rowland operates somewhere around 40k psi instead of 15-20k psi like the GI. Totally different rounds! Rowland is way more powerful and has way more recoil!

FYI. I have dropped three pigs with nothing more then my Glock 27 with Remington 180 FMJ UMC. Granted they weren't 600 pound porkers but the .40 will do. The cartridge is more then enough. Just make sure your aim is good. 10mm is really not needed for handgun hunting until you get to larger medium size game or smaller large game(however you want to look at it). Basically mule deer. Which is the largest I have taken with a 10mm. About 200 pounds. If I could get a clean shot I would take a cow elk with it. Like I said my dads friend has taken bull elk with his and he said it only went about 20 yards and dropped dead in its tracks. He is also a very seasoned hunter with a ton of experience. With handgun hunting clean shots are a must. Most guys that I know who handgun hunt only really take game with it when it is closer then expected. Usually they have a rifle as their main weapon.

My guess is that if the 10mm won't drop it the .460 won't be enough either. 44 mag or even better a rifle is needed.

[1s1k52]

44 mag or even better a rifle is needed.

Yeah I agree completely. That is why I usually prefer open sights. I can get on target faster than I can with a scope due to lack of experience with good scopes. A few months ago I purchased a Ruger American 30-06 with a 4.5-16x40 Nikon buckmaster scope. Thus far I love the setup. I am still getting used to shouldering quickly and sighting in via the scope.


Thanks for all the feedback everyone.