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Posted: **Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:19 pm**

I found this interesting http://news.msn.com/us/booze-smokes-on- ... ups-agenda.

Posted: **Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:57 pm**

MeMelYup wrote:I found this interesting http://news.msn.com/us/booze-smokes-on- ... ups-agenda.

Fixed the link for you...

Posted: **Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:04 pm**

A clear example of governmental overreach.

The bureau, known as TTB, collects taxes on booze and smokes and tells the companies that produce them how to do business — from approving beer can labels to deciding how much air a gin bottle can contain between lid and liquor.

It decides which valleys in Oregon and California can slap their names on wine labels, what grapes can go into wine and which new alcoholic drinks are safe to import.

What possible justification could there be for doing this under the Constitution?

Posted: **Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:33 pm**

baldeagle wrote:What possible justification could there be for doing this under the Constitution?

That ubiquitous catch-all, unlimited "Commerce Clause". :deadhorse:

Posted: **Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:45 pm**

The Annoyed Man wrote:
MeMelYup wrote:I found this interesting http://news.msn.com/us/booze-smokes-on- ... ups-agenda.
Fixed the link for you...

Tks.

Posted: **Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:54 pm**

And this is why I have said that the BATFE is no such thing...it should be disbanded as an agency, and the firearms and explosives enforcement turned over to a branch of the FBI. Then they could focus on real crimes like actual gun smuggling and other things such as licensing for bulk explosives handling...and leave the states to handle day to day regulation of gun sales, etc.

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:10 am**

Jumping Frog wrote:
baldeagle wrote:What possible justification could there be for doing this under the Constitution?
That ubiquitous catch-all, unlimited "Commerce Clause".

IT'S A TAX!!!!

insta-constitutionality

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:19 pm**

Think about this for awhile. Three things the gov does not like but has to put up with
due to popular demand ALOCHOL...TOBACCO..FIREARMS.. This is the agency that
oversees what the gov does not like

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:34 pm**

tommyg wrote:Think about this for awhile. Three things the gov does not like but has to put up with
due to popular demand ALOCHOL...TOBACCO..FIREARMS.. This is the agency that
oversees what the gov does not like

BUT BUT BUT... The government cannot discriminate!

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:36 pm**

the Department of BBBB... Booze, Backey, Boolits and Bombs

who'd a thunk it

another useless government organization to enforce targeted taxation

Posted: **Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:44 pm**

In a modern, free country, BATFE would be a chain of convenience stores.

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