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Dear Pres.

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My response to Obama at the Conn school speech last night televised nationwide and using grief and tragedy to promote his agenda, saying the ?Nation needs to change and he'll use his office to do it ...
@BarackObama @MichelleObama use your office to get teachers armed like Harrold ISD and in Michigan so my kids are safer.

Nationwide people should have safer kids, not just Texas and Michigan.

It's a shame the teacher/Principal wasn't prepared to protect the Conn. kids, please act to get these people prepared to protect our kids Nationwide, like in TX and Mich..

Thanks.


https://www.google.com/search?q=harrold ... 80&bih=805" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Nationwide people should have safer kids, not just Texas and Michigan

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@BarackObama @MichelleObama Since ALL mass killings occurred in Gun-Free Zones, I pray you'll use your office to eliminate such defenseless victim zones. I'm assuming that's what you meant at your speech last night; so we'll BE safer instead of just FEEL safer.
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Since any presidential speech is by definition in the public domain, I will feel free to quote a large part of the text of that particular speech....the part where he addresses what's to come:

http://www.indystar.com/viewart/2012121 ... town-Conn-
This is our first task — caring for our children. It's our first job. If we don't get that right, we don't get anything right. That's how, as a society, we will be judged.

And by that measure, can we truly say, as a nation, that we are meeting our obligations? Can we honestly say that we're doing enough to keep our children — all of them — safe from harm? Can we claim, as a nation, that we're all together there, letting them know that they are loved, and teaching them to love in return? Can we say that we're truly doing enough to give all the children of this country the chance they deserve to live out their lives in happiness and with purpose?

I've been reflecting on this the last few days, and if we're honest with ourselves, the answer is no. We're not doing enough. And we will have to change.

Since I've been President, this is the fourth time we have come together to comfort a grieving community torn apart by a mass shooting. The fourth time we've hugged survivors. The fourth time we've consoled the families of victims. And in between, there have been an endless series of deadly shootings across the country, almost daily reports of victims, many of them children, in small towns and big cities all across America — victims whose — much of the time, their only fault was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

We can't tolerate this anymore. These tragedies must end. And to end them, we must change. We will be told that the causes of such violence are complex, and that is true. No single law — no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world, or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society.

But that can't be an excuse for inaction. Surely, we can do better than this. If there is even one step we can take to save another child, or another parent, or another town, from the grief that has visited Tucson, and Aurora, and Oak Creek, and Newtown, and communities from Columbine to Blacksburg before that — then surely we have an obligation to try.

In the coming weeks, I will use whatever power this office holds to engage my fellow citizens — from law enforcement to mental health professionals to parents and educators — in an effort aimed at preventing more tragedies like this. Because what choice do we have? We can't accept events like this as routine. Are we really prepared to say that we're powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?
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Setting up the false premise:
is somehow the price of our freedom?
Thing is, in gun-free zones where these mass killings occurred, people were not free to protect themselves; freedom is not the opposite of safety as he suggests, but the restricting freedom made the victims less safe, so he'd restrict the freedoms further to make them even less safe, yet "feel" like he did something...
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Saw this on FB and totally agree!

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Actually I agree with the President that something must be done. I just disagree on what that is. We need to eliminate gun free zones and train teachers to be able to defend themselves and their students!!
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stroo wrote:Actually I agree with the President that something must be done. I just disagree on what that is. We need to eliminate gun free zones and train teachers to be able to defend themselves and their students!!
:iagree:
Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. 'You have a shooter that is completely free to go about his sick fantasy. We need to do what it takes to change that.'
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Another good article:

http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter ... is-denial/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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stroo wrote:Another good article:

http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter ... is-denial/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
that isd good, and it links to a 2-year ago article it mentioned
Arming-campus-cops-is-elementary
A mass-notification system can mitigate various issues after a campus shooting happens, but it’s not going to stop the active shooter
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In the president's speech, he said that our first priority is to protect our children. This is good news, because that puts firearms WAY down the list of things that need to be done. The following quote is from the CDC:
In 2009, among children 1 to 4 years old who died from an unintentional injury, more than 30% died from drowning.1,2 Among children ages 1 to 4, most drownings occur in home swimming pools.2 Drowning is responsible for more deaths among children 1-4 than any other cause except congenital anomalies (birth defects).1 Among those 1-14, fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death behind motor vehicle crashes.1
Looks like we need to take care of automobiles and swimming pools before we tackle the pesky firearm problem. I don't really support a total ban on swimming pools, I'm just looking for some "common sense" regulation of them.

I don't mean to minimize what happened in Connecticut. It was tragic and the person who did it was pure evil. There is a special place in Hades for his ilk. But if the left wants to take a "save the children" approach, 20 fatalities is a pretty small number when you look at all the things that kids die of.
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canvasbck wrote:In the president's speech, he said that our first priority is to protect our children. This is good news, because that puts firearms WAY down the list of things that need to be done. The following quote is from the CDC:
In 2009, among children 1 to 4 years old who died from an unintentional injury, more than 30% died from drowning.1,2 Among children ages 1 to 4, most drownings occur in home swimming pools.2 Drowning is responsible for more deaths among children 1-4 than any other cause except congenital anomalies (birth defects).1 Among those 1-14, fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death behind motor vehicle crashes.1
Looks like we need to take care of automobiles and swimming pools before we tackle the pesky firearm problem. I don't really support a total ban on swimming pools, I'm just looking for some "common sense" regulation of them.

I don't mean to minimize what happened in Connecticut. It was tragic and the person who did it was pure evil. There is a special place in Hades for his ilk. But if the left wants to take a "save the children" approach, 20 fatalities is a pretty small number when you look at all the things that kids die of.
:iagree:

And I want to know what he is doing about cars and pools first.
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From a flat reading, it would be hard to parse Obama's speech for one side or the other. I can easily see this coming from any number of Republican presidents in a similar circumstance. He has the gift of double talk. In fact, if I were a garden variety anti-gun liberal, I'd be frustrated with his mealy-mouthed way of putting this.

I've always been dazzled with the typical politician's ability to say some much that means so little.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:Since any presidential speech is by definition in the public domain, I will feel free to quote a large part of the text of that particular speech....the part where he addresses what's to come:

http://www.indystar.com/viewart/2012121 ... town-Conn-
This is our first task — caring for our children. It's our first job. If we don't get that right, we don't get anything right. That's how, as a society, we will be judged.

And by that measure, can we truly say, as a nation, that we are meeting our obligations? Can we honestly say that we're doing enough to keep our children — all of them — safe from harm? Can we claim, as a nation, that we're all together there, letting them know that they are loved, and teaching them to love in return? Can we say that we're truly doing enough to give all the children of this country the chance they deserve to live out their lives in happiness and with purpose?

I've been reflecting on this the last few days, and if we're honest with ourselves, the answer is no. We're not doing enough. And we will have to change.

Since I've been President, this is the fourth time we have come together to comfort a grieving community torn apart by a mass shooting. The fourth time we've hugged survivors. The fourth time we've consoled the families of victims. And in between, there have been an endless series of deadly shootings across the country, almost daily reports of victims, many of them children, in small towns and big cities all across America — victims whose — much of the time, their only fault was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

We can't tolerate this anymore. These tragedies must end. And to end them, we must change. We will be told that the causes of such violence are complex, and that is true. No single law — no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world, or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society.

But that can't be an excuse for inaction. Surely, we can do better than this. If there is even one step we can take to save another child, or another parent, or another town, from the grief that has visited Tucson, and Aurora, and Oak Creek, and Newtown, and communities from Columbine to Blacksburg before that — then surely we have an obligation to try.

In the coming weeks, I will use whatever power this office holds to engage my fellow citizens — from law enforcement to mental health professionals to parents and educators — in an effort aimed at preventing more tragedies like this. Because what choice do we have? We can't accept events like this as routine. Are we really prepared to say that we're powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?
I don't trust this man any further than I can throw him, and the secret service isn't letting anyone throw him ( :mrgreen: ); so since I can't throw him, I can't trust him at all to do the right thing.
you quoted correct and actually as it is the public domain, you could chosen not to credit him at all and simply dragged bits and pieces out to talk about.
i am worried about the "mental health professionals" line simply because there are many on the left that feel veterans are dangerous weapons to be put on shelves until needed for war. They feel we are "terrorists" (nancy pelosi). Many have seen or been interviewed by MH professionals as part of debriefing from over 12 years of constant war, what happens in the quest to keep kids safe, these records are released and a whole bunch of us are swept up under the guise of preventing future deaths, solely because a head shrink thinks there may be PTSD or some other real issue from dealing with watching his buddy be separated into several bits by an IED, or coming home missing a limb or two. or exposure to toxic chemicals at gulf war number 1,

Lets create a CSA (campus security agency) we get trained plain clothes ARMED personnel to protect our children at school
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