What should we do to fight off the incoming ban?

[Stupid]

As much as we love our hobby and safety, what can we do to fight off the incoming ban?

Is there some campaign we can start?

[apostate]

Is there some campaign we can start?

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[Stupid]

Is there some campaign we can start?

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Yeah, but Obama and bunch want more than just blood this time.

[Jumping Frog]

The (R) House simply has to hold firm against the Barbarians at the Gate. If the House refuses to pass legislation, then the Obamination is left only with executive orders or regulations.

The Republicans must hold firm.

Thus we need to be very vocal to every Republican legislator we can contact. Use mail, email, and telephone. This is when it would be useful if someone had a history/record of campaign donations to the legislator in question.

[pmcdn]

Yes, find out who your senators/reps are and call them demanding that they do not compromise. I called a few days ago. Staff answered the phone straight away and were very friendly. They do note people's opinions. Also, I hear that they consider each person who calls/emails to represent X amount of people.

Don't blow it off and assume someone else is doing it instead. Next best thing to voting.

[nitrogen]

Outreach.

[Purplehood]

We can all sign a petition.

[dac1842]

Personally, I don't see much happening, Harry Reid acknowledged several months ago that gun control talk was one of the reasons that the democrats took a beating in 2010. He said at the time that gun control was not something he was willing to float in the senate.

Second, this Congress can't pass gas effectively, how the hell do you expect them to pass anything else?

[chasfm11]

Personally, I don't see much happening, Harry Reid acknowledged several months ago that gun control talk was one of the reasons that the democrats took a beating in 2010. He said at the time that gun control was not something he was willing to float in the senate.

Second, this Congress can't pass gas effectively, how the heck do you expect them to pass anything else?

I wish that I shared your optimism.

The gun ban in England was precipitated by a single mass shooting. The Lib vultures have tried to use the past several shooting including the Lochner one to beat the drums for an AWB but failed to gain any traction. It is only a matter of time before they do. The Alinksy tactics again LaPierre are greater this time which indicates that they have a more organized approach and feel that they have a better chance because of Sandy Hook. If momentum does start to build, the MSM will make sure that the story stays front and center.

Harry Reid is a political opportunist. If he smells blood in the water over a gun ban, he will be all over it. It will be as much to try to break the influence of the NRA in DC as it is to pass the gun legislation. If the GOP is still cowering over the fiscal cliff, it would be a great time to railroad them into passing a gun control bill. It appears to be the perfect storm brewing for that with Obama using the SOTU speech to champion both the GOP "obstructionism" and a gun ban while the Congress just lets the tax increases infuriate the American public. I seriously hope that I'm wrong.

Don't forget that Obama could send Kerry out to sign the UN control treaty and claim that the GOP in the Senate was obstructing that, too. There are many ways to get to the objective.

[RPB]

The gun ban in England was precipitated by a single mass shooting.

Ironically....The gun ban in Australia also was precipitated by a single mass shooting; in a restaurant, like Luby's, according to a friend in Adelaide, but that's not the one cited normally

new article in huffpo
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. After one lone nut gunman killed 35 and wounded 21 people in 1996, the Port Arthur Massacre, Prime Minister John Howard banned all semi-automatic rifles and pump-action shotguns because of the outrage felt by Australian citizens. He introduced highly restrictive gun licensing laws. Hundreds of thousands of guns were purchased from Australian citizens and destroyed.

Do you know how many mass shootings we have had since then? Not one. In addition, firearm homicides have dropped 59% with no corresponding increase in non-firearm murders.

We'll see that a lot now, Australia's successful gun control stopped the rare mass shooting


Wait, no mass shooting since 96?
How about school shootings where kids and teachers are shot?

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The Monash University shooting refers to a shooting in which a student shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five. It took place at Monash University in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on 21 October 2002.

The National Handgun Buyback Act 2003 put new restrictions on maximum calibre, magazine capacity and minimum barrel lengths for all handguns. Most owners either modified their handguns to comply or replaced them with compliant new handguns. Competitive target shooters were paid compensation for their pistols if they agreed to give up the sport for five years.[26][27] Victoria began its handgun buyback scheme in August 2003.[28][29]

Oh ... more laws were needed ... handguns had to be larger so harder to conceal; that fixed it ...smaller handguns were "bought back" by the Govt.

Counterpoint

Surge in Victoria's homicide rate

Date
September 9, 2012

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Australia's higher violent crime rates

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Rape victims 1% 0.4%
Ranked 5th. 150% more than United States Ranked 13th.

Suicide rates in ages 15-24 14.6 per 100,000 people 13.7 per 100,000 people
Ranked 6th. 7% more than United States Ranked 7th.

Suicide rates in ages 25-34 18.7 per 100,000 people 15.3 per 100,000 people
Ranked 7th. 22% more than United States Ranked 10th.

Total crime victims 30.1% 21.1%
Ranked 1st. 43% more than United States Ranked 15th.

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Australia is still evolving

more armed home invasions prompt more gun licenses and that prompts more arguing for more gun control


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[OldCannon]

Australia's gun bans have had an interesting, but less publicized, side-effect. Armed home invasions have gone up incredibly high, but they are underreported because the Oz govt still hasn't defined "home invasion." People are getting brazenly robbed by armed invaders and there is NOTHING they can do about it. Same in England.

Yeah, I think I will pass on that. There's like, what, about a hundred big-mouthed antis that need to go away, versus about 30 MILLION of us that they want to go away. And they act like the odds are on their side. They need to watch "A Bug's Life" again and realize they're the grasshoppers (actually, they probably have, that's why they want new "laws" to protect them from law-abiding citizens).

Wake up, folks.

[RPB]

Australia's gun bans have had an interesting, but less publicized, side-effect. Armed home invasions have gone up incredibly high, but they are underreported because the Oz govt still hasn't defined "home invasion." People are getting brazenly robbed by armed invaders and there is NOTHING they can do about it. Same in England.

Yeah, I think I will pass on that. There's like, what, about a hundred big-mouthed antis that need to go away, versus about 30 MILLION of us that they want to go away. And they act like the odds are on their side. They need to watch "A Bug's Life" again and realize they're the grasshoppers (actually, they probably have, that's why they want new "laws" to protect them from law-abiding citizens).

Wake up, folks.

True

My friend says gangs of teens crash cars into houses to gain entry, beat the old people with cricket bats, use knives (also forbidden to carry) axes or scissors. I believe it, I had two cousins beat to death in California with a rocking chair so their neighbor could get their Social Security checks for drugs ( he got death sentence in the 80s wrote a book in prison in the 90s...)

[pmcdn]

Sickens me. Like the old quote goes. It's more about control and less about guns. The politicians don't fear or hate guns and they know gun bans won't reduce crime. Some/many of them own and carry guns (Schumer, Feinstein, to name a couple). They just don't want you and I to have them.

Australia's gun bans have had an interesting, but less publicized, side-effect. Armed home invasions have gone up incredibly high, but they are underreported because the Oz govt still hasn't defined "home invasion." People are getting brazenly robbed by armed invaders and there is NOTHING they can do about it. Same in England.

Yeah, I think I will pass on that. There's like, what, about a hundred big-mouthed antis that need to go away, versus about 30 MILLION of us that they want to go away. And they act like the odds are on their side. They need to watch "A Bug's Life" again and realize they're the grasshoppers (actually, they probably have, that's why they want new "laws" to protect them from law-abiding citizens).

Wake up, folks.

[bayouhazard]

Yeah, but Obama and bunch want more than just blood this time.

If a dirtbag wants to rape your wife, she doesn't have to let him. There is in fact a very effective way to stop him.

The true motivation for gun control is to deny victims effective tools to resist dirtbags. Especially the kind wearing suits and uniforms.

[mikedude]

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It is scary. She wants to protect our rights by creating a new gun registration scheme. The first step is to ID who has guns that are not "banned" now.