Fort Worth Gun Show - 30.03 Posted

[Afff_667]

This has probably been covered here before, but despite a search I couldn't find an answer to my question....How can the Fort Worth Gun Show be posted when it's held at Will Rogers, a public facility?

Be gentle...I am trying to gain as much knowledge as possible, but this one confounds me.

Thanks in advance.

[Charles L. Cotton]

30.06 signs at a gun show are “interesting.� If the facility is owned by a governmental entity, then I believe TPC §30.06 is clear - it cannot be posted off-limits by using a 30.06 sign. I have heard the argument by some cities that when the property is rented or leased to a private individual or entity, then they can post a 30.06 sign and it will be effective. I think this argument is absurd, as TPC §30.06 does not make such a distinction. Either it’s governmental property, or it isn’t.

Here is the “interesting� part. If a gun show takes place at a private facility, then a 30.06 sign will be effective. A 30.06 sign means you can’t come into the facility whether the gun is loaded or not, because you have effective notice that firearms are prohibited on the premises. However, when you have your pistol checked at the desk and are given permission to enter, the 30.06 sign means nothing because you now have permission to enter. If you reload in the restroom, the 30.06 doesn’t automatically become effective again, although a show official could certainly tell you to leave. I’m not advocating you go into the restroom and reload, I’m just pointing out the problem with posting a 30.06 sign, then letting people come in with a firearm.

Chas.

[carlson1]

30.06 signs at a gun show are “interesting.� If the facility is owned by a governmental entity, then I believe TPC §30.06 is clear - it cannot be posted off-limits by using a 30.06 sign. I have heard the argument by some cities that when the property is rented or leased to a private individual or entity, then they can post a 30.06 sign and it will be effective. I think this argument is absurd, as TPC §30.06 does not make such a distinction. Either it’s governmental property, or it isn’t.

Here is the “interesting� part. If a gun show takes place at a private facility, then a 30.06 sign will be effective. A 30.06 sign means you can’t come into the facility whether the gun is loaded or not, because you have effective notice that firearms are prohibited on the premises. However, when you have your pistol checked at the desk and are given permission to enter, the 30.06 sign means nothing because you now have permission to enter. If you reload in the restroom, the 30.06 doesn’t automatically become effective again, although a show official could certainly tell you to leave. I’m not advocating you go into the restroom and reload, I’m just pointing out the problem with posting a 30.06 sign, then letting people come in with a firearm.

Chas.

That is Great Stuff. I never undersstood a 30.06 sign at a gun show. It is like saying no boats allowed at the marina.

[Afff_667]

Thanks for the info...And yes, I miss-typed the thread title...it is 30.06. Dang it.

I certainly follow and agree with the logic, but I my pockets aren't deep enough to allow me to be the test case.

Thanks again to everyone here for filling in the missing bits from my CHL class. I learn something every time I log on.

[GrillKing]

That is Great Stuff. I never undersstood a 30.06 sign at a gun show. It is like saying no boats allowed at the marina.

Or like saying no guns are allowed at a CHL class because it is an 'Educational Institution', you know, like the Fort Worth Zoo....

[Renegade]

I do not see how anyone can be convicted of 30.06 at a gun show, unless you hired the worst attorney in Texas. You shouldn't even be arrested/prosecuted, but we know how that works.

In addition to what Charles said, 30.06 only applies to people carrying under CHL law. When I carry a handgun at a gun show, I am not carrying under CHL law, I am carrying under general 46.15 N/A, the same law that allowed me to carry a handgun into a gun show prior to CHL law, and the same law that allows non-CHLs to carry handguns into gun shows.

I do not think 30.06 is enforceable when posted at parking lot entrances either, due to the new traveling presumption, but that is for another thread.

[texas297]

From what I can tell doing a Google search on the Will Rogers Center it is owned by the City.

Several of the links point to city of Forth web pages including this one:

http://www.fortworthgov.org/publicevent ... 008_link_1

I tried finding the Center on the tax rolls but I couldn't find it.

HTH

David