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It is a new tax, originating in the senate.

Article 1 Section 7

Game set match.

APynckel wrote:It is a new tax, originating in the senate.

Article 1 Section 7

Game set match.

Obamacare came from the Senate, and it was ruled constitutional specifically on the grounds that it was a tax (even though Obama says it isn't).

Dave2 wrote:

APynckel wrote:It is a new tax, originating in the senate.

Article 1 Section 7

Game set match.

Obamacare came from the Senate, and it was ruled constitutional specifically on the grounds that it was a tax (even though Obama says it isn't).

And there are new challenges about originality.

Feinstein's bill is Unconstitutional...

Yah think?

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Feinstein's bill is Unconstitutional...

Yah think?

Yes, but I am attacking it from more angles.

APynckel wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

APynckel wrote:It is a new tax, originating in the senate.

Article 1 Section 7

Game set match.

Obamacare came from the Senate, and it was ruled constitutional specifically on the grounds that it was a tax (even though Obama says it isn't).

And there are new challenges about originality.

I'm not sure how far that will go. The Senate took a Bill that had already passed in the House (Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009) to use as a carrier for their health care takeover legislation (PPACA). Bill Summary & Status 111th Congress (2009 - 2010) H.R.3590 will show what they did.

The Senate would do the same in this case - just take a revenue bill passed in the House and dump in what they want.

Who would ever know!? It seems that nobody actually reads these things anymore.

In the old days, I imagine that some Congressmen couldn't read, or barely. Now, they don't.

A man who doesn't read has no advantage over a man who can't!

JALLEN wrote:Who would ever know!? It seems that nobody actually reads these things anymore.

In the old days, I imagine that some Congressmen couldn't read, or barely. Now, they don't.

A man who doesn't read has no advantage over a man who can't!

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can - uh - find out what is in it."
Nancy Pelosi

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To[/youtube]

DocV wrote:

JALLEN wrote:Who would ever know!? It seems that nobody actually reads these things anymore.

In the old days, I imagine that some Congressmen couldn't read, or barely. Now, they don't.

A man who doesn't read has no advantage over a man who can't!

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can - uh - find out what is in it."
Nancy Pelosi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To

I remember when that gem hit the nightly news, and I still have trouble believing she said it with a straight face.

APynckel wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Feinstein's bill is Unconstitutional...

Yah think?

Yes, but I am attacking it from more angles.

Let us know how that unconstitutional thing works out. It has not worked so well of late.

Anygunanywhere

Of course it's unconstitutional, but what they are counting on is the long process before it hits SCOTUS plus the long process there. Then there is the (possible) delay in implementation of a decision against them, and they will have another similar bill waiting in the wings to be introduced immediately and start the same process over. If you don't believe it, look at DC and Chicago post Heller and McDonald, where Heller was denied registration of his semi-auto pistol in DC because it was defined as a "machine gun" and Chicago just stacked on extra rules for those attempting to obtain the impossible, a permit to own a gun in Chicago.

It's the way they think. In a thread on FaceBook I was accused of being "obtuse" because i insisted on specific terminology being accurate, while my "opponent" was allowed to claim that the Clackamas Mall shooter committing suicide when confronted by a CHL holder was an indicator that guns cause suicide.

And remember also that Paul Helmke claimed that McDonald was a victory for the Brady Bunch.

Sure it's unconstituational. So what? Nine out of ten federal laws are unconstitutional, along with the majority of federal spending.

The federal government has become the feral gummint and it didn't start with BHO.

Andy C's post highlights one of the reasons my Bride and I made the decision to home school our children.