Arrests for Concealed Carry - Non Compliant Sign

GrillKing · Post by **GrillKing** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:30 pm

Has anyone has heard of any arrests for concealed carry when the notification was non compliant - ghostbusters, "no guns", etc. Does it really happen?

Or heard of anyone being approached for carrying under those circumstances it worked out like it should?

one eyed fatman · Post by **one eyed fatman** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:29 pm

If it's a non compliant sign you haven't broken the law. If it's a 30.06 sign and you leave when told to leave you haven't broken the law.

GrillKing · Post by **GrillKing** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:33 am

one eyed fatman wrote:If it's a non compliant sign you haven't broken the law. If it's a 30.06 sign and you leave when told to leave you haven't broken the law.

I understand that in the scenario I described, the law wasn't broken. I'm just curious if arrests ever occur. Likewise, a municipality cannot enforce 30.06 on public property (with a few exceptions) per state law, but some try. If they post a 30.06, at the local park for example, and arrest you, you will probably win in court, but you were still arrested and out some $$$.

I will ignore clearly non-compliant signs, as you are right, no law broken. Also, concealed means concealed and they should never know you are carrying. I'm just curious if this type of thing ever happens. The law is the law, but some people who don't know the law or choose to ignore it could potentially cause grief to the law abiding CHL holder. I wonder does it happen??? I think if it does, it is very infrequent and I don't plan to change my routine based on it.

Thanks,

Post by **Charles L. Cotton** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:05 pm

Gary:

I get a lot of calls related to the CHL statute and I've never had one about an arrest pursuant to a sign that was not 36.06 compliant. In fact, I've never had a call about a trespass arrest for crossing a 30.06 sign either, but I'm sure there may have been a few.

Regards,
Chas.

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:33 pm

It's kind of the whole joke about gun control. Signs are obeyed by the law abiding. The criminals can carry weapons all the time, since enforcement is primarily at secured areas of airports, courthouses, and prisons.

Sure some people get searched in their cars or on the street, but criminals are willing to take that risk.

HighVelocity · Post by **HighVelocity** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:03 pm

I like the WalMart signs that say: "The unlawful possession of a firearm on these premises punishable by a $10,000 fine". Yeah right.

GrillKing · Post by **GrillKing** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:25 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Gary:

I get a lot of calls related to the CHL statute and I've never had one about an arrest pursuant to a sign that was not 36.06 compliant. In fact, I've never had a call about a trespass arrest for crossing a 30.06 sign either, but I'm sure there may have been a few.

Regards,
Chas.

Thanks! That is good to hear.

Renegade · Post by **Renegade** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:21 pm

one eyed fatman wrote: If it's a 30.06 sign and you leave when told to leave you haven't broken the law.

As soon as you "carries a handgun ... on property of another without effective consent", you are in violation if given proper notice.

one eyed fatman · Post by **one eyed fatman** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:13 pm

Renegade wrote:
one eyed fatman wrote: If it's a 30.06 sign and you leave when told to leave you haven't broken the law.
As soon as you "carries a handgun ... on property of another without effective consent", you are in violation if given proper notice.

Do you know one person on Gods green earth that always knows when he's breaking the law? I don't.

Renegade · Post by **Renegade** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:25 pm

one eyed fatman wrote:
Renegade wrote:
one eyed fatman wrote: If it's a 30.06 sign and you leave when told to leave you haven't broken the law.
As soon as you "carries a handgun ... on property of another without effective consent", you are in violation if given proper notice.
Do you know one person on Gods green earth that always knows when he's breaking the law? I don't.

No, but I do know that you commit an offense if you carry a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent and received notice that entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden on Gods blue earth, and I dont want anyone to get busted for not understanding this.

one eyed fatman · Post by **one eyed fatman** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:05 pm

Sorry, I'm not one of those persons who fears the law more than the BG's. Doing that can get you killed. When it come to carrying a gun I do what I do, I do it well and hope for the best.

Renegade · Post by **Renegade** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:33 pm

one eyed fatman wrote:Sorry, I'm not one of those persons who fears the law more than the BG's. Doing that can get you killed. When it come to carrying a gun I do what I do, I do it well and hope for the best.

Good for you. In addition to violating 30.06, perhaps you can share with us how you get your gun on an airplane, courthouse, school, pro sport event or one of those other prohibited places.

Anyway my comments were not for your, but for everyone else who may have read your incorrect post.

one eyed fatman · Post by **one eyed fatman** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:12 am

I don't fear the law and I haven't broken any laws (not intentional).

Now let's say good ol Renegade parks his car out back of a business. He goes in the back door (which isn't posted). He finds out he is in the wrong building and is directed to the front door of the building so he can get to the right building. Lo and behold at the front door he notices a 30.06 sign. What does he do? 1: Pull out his gun and pistol whip himself, 2: Pulls out his cell phone and calls the cops so he can be arrested. 3: Travels to the back door, puts his gun in the car and returns to finish his business.

Moral of the story is: Just use a little common sense.

Renegade · Post by **Renegade** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:01 am

one eyed fatman wrote:I don't fear the law and I haven't broken any laws (not intentional).

Now let's say good ol Renegade parks his car out back of a business. He goes in the back door (which isn't posted). He finds out he is in the wrong building and is directed to the front door of the building so he can get to the right building. Lo and behold at the front door he notices a 30.06 sign. What does he do? 1: Pull out his gun and pistol whip himself, 2: Pulls out his cell phone and calls the cops so he can be arrested. 3: Travels to the back door, puts his gun in the car and returns to finish his business.

Moral of the story is: Just use a little common sense.

When you are wrong, just admit it, no need to make up a completely off-topic, irrelevant, hypothetical story.

one eyed fatman · Post by **one eyed fatman** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:23 am

Me thinks Renegade didn't come here to discuss anything. Renegade came here to be right about everything. Carry on Renegade I don't talk to brick walls.

Good for you. In addition to violating 30.06, perhaps you can share with us how you get your gun on an airplane, courthouse, school, pro sport event or one of those other prohibited places.

I will leave it up to a court of law to tell me weather I have broken the law, not some know it all joker.