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I just want to recount my experience last week. Nothing eventful, just not my everyday activity.

I had the opportunity to declare a firearm for the second time as I flew to Dallas. The attendant at the SWA counter didn't bat an eye and asked me to follow the bag to the TSA counter.

At the TSA counter the inspector opened the case, noted I had ammo in the hardside case and asked for another inspector to come over. She checked with him concerning the ammos location. He said it was OK (which I already knew and was prepared to produce the documentation to verify) and commented that he liked my case (Stock Colt case :?: ). Locked everything back up and the flight went off without a hitch.

After landing we got our rental care and proceeded to the hotel. I decided to wait until we got to our room to put my sidearm back on. While I could have ducked into an airport restroom, I imagined what would happen if I should drop a round under the stall and someone saw it, even in the "non-secure" side of the terminal.

When we arrived at the hotel, we were early and we would have to wait for a room. Until then, we were going to drift around the area and grab a bite to eat. Time to load up.

I found a restroom and ducked into the stall with my bag. Out came the case and I proceeded to load the magazines, chamber a round, holster the weapon, and don the holster. I figured out one thing real quick...it is hard to load a magazine, insert the mag and cycle the slide in a granite restroom without it being amplified and echoing off every wall.

I used my best stealthy-ninja skills and got everything loaded and ready with out scattering rounds all over the floor or making too much racket. (Myrtle, you should have heard this poor fella in the stall next to me, he has more prostate problems than I do... :lol: ).

When finally tucked away and adjusted, we went to lunch and had wonderfully uneventful day.

Throughout the next few days I carried all the time as usual. Since I had a Tucker holster I would sometimes just tuck in my shirt and blouse it a little to help cover the clips. Other times I just wore my normal attire, camp shirts or sweat tops, and covered my whole belt.

On the way home the SWA attendant checked out the firearm, put it on the belt, and sent it to the TSA. TSA gave it, at best, a casual glance and we made it home without any incident, as it should be.

I guess the biggest concern was getting everything loaded and ready to wear while in the stall. Maybe this can be a heads-up for others.
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Add coughing to your ninja skills. :grin:

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Post by Wildscar »

OK one thing puzzles me. Why the Bath Room stall? Why not the rental car? Parking in the back of the parking lot with you wife watching if some one walked by.
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Why the stall?

We left the airport in the shuttle to Enterprise where the bags were transfered to the back of the vehicle. It is only a 10 min drive to the hotel where the valet attendant took the car.

We could have pulled off between the Enterprise and the hotel but I figured it would be just as easy to wait to get to the hotel instead of standing in the rain or tossing around in the backseat trying to get everything put on. I also expected to be in our room when we got to the hotel.

Car in the garage + no room = bathroom stall.

I thought about coughing but I might have sounded like I had emphysema. I did time actions with flushes, water running, paper towels dispensing, etc.

If I saw a round skittering across the floor I would be more curious than alarmed. I would figure it fell out of someones pocket.

If I heard someone chambering a round I might be more alarmed. I would expect that most CHL holders would be more discrete than that. I would probably see what shoes were in the stall, exit, and find an observation spot, preferably behind cover and see who came out and how they did it. I would then make any further decisions from there.
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troglodyte wrote:Why the stall?

We left the airport in the shuttle to Enterprise where the bags were transfered to the back of the vehicle. It is only a 10 min drive to the hotel where the valet attendant took the car.
Ahh... Gotcha. Makes sence now. Good job. Guess we can make that the Wally Walk 2 - The urge strikes back. :smilelol5:
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Wildscar wrote: Guess we can make that the Wally Walk 2 - The urge strikes back. :smilelol5:
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I always do my thing in the rental car in the rental lot with no issues. Stay aware. If people are more than one car away, they can not see anything. The sheeple are just as unaware of what you are doing as they are when you are carrying. They do not see anything. The travellers are focused on travelling, not your messing around with your pistolas.

If you are uncomfortable in the rental lot, most major airports now have "cell phone lots". I have used the cell phone lot at Philadelphia to unload and store my handguns prior to turning in my rental car. No one even batted an eye. Google the airport you are flying to on the net and check for cell phone lots.

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Quick question related to this. I'm about to take a trip myself and have been trying to figure out what a "hard sided container" according to TSA is. I have a black plastic case from Academy, stiff sides, about 12" x 16" x 4". It has the loops for the locks as well. I was at Academy yesterday and just for grins I went to the aisle with the cases and saw some silver metal cases. Is TSA referring to the metal ones only, or is it just excluding the canvas/leather kind of pouches that don't retain their shape and my black plastic case is ok?
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Re: privacy. If you look around, you can often find single-seat handicap rest rooms where the door locks. Hotels and airports often have phone booths with doors that close. If the door opens inward, you can sit with your back to it and keep it closed.

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I used the plastic case my pistol came in. TSA agent commented on how nice it was. :roll:

I got a small padlock to go through the plastic eyes to lock it.

I am under the impression that any hard sided case will do. I guess they don't want you carrying in a pillow case (now what movie was that :???: )


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troglodyte wrote:I used the plastic case my pistol came in. TSA agent commented on how nice it was. :roll:

I got a small padlock to go through the plastic eyes to lock it.

I am under the impression that any hard sided case will do. I guess they don't want you carrying in a pillow case (now what movie was that :???: )


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Just about any hard case will do, but I personally would recommend the strongest possible with a quality lock. I hate to tell you how many "small" locks I picked when I was at TSA, we just hated to cut locks if we didn't have to.

One of my best finds running the x-ray was finding a .22 revolver WRAAPED IN A PILLOW CASE!!!! And it was loaded. I spotted it on the x-ray and that doesn't usually raise any eyebrows, the assumption is that a gun has been checked, unless the machine declares an alarm. But I could see the rounds in the chambers, so it was immediately obvious that the gun had not been checked properly, and I asked for the bag to be run through the x-ray again to confirm.

When the gun moved significantly between the first run through and the second one it also became obvious that the gun was not in the hard case that it appeared to be in on the first run (just by accident it had appeared to be in a box inside the bag) so the bag got pulled and we called the passenger back for an inspection. By the time he got there I had been relieved from the machine so I got to be the bag opener too (which I wanted to do anyway) and missed the gun the first time when I just shoved the pillow case out of the way, I was looking for it to be loose.

I found it by feel in its wrapping, and unwrapped it enough to hand it to the LEO, TSA rules prohibit screeners from handling firearms, and they confirmed that it was indeed loaded, but were amazed that I could tell that on the X-ray (can you say LEAD?) Eventually the LEOs decided to allow him to travel anyway, but the gun and ammo were confiscated and he was given citations by the Dallas PD and TSA, and he missed his flight.

The conclusion was that the passenger was "innocently unaware" of the rules (those were the words actually used by the Dallas Love Field PD LT telling the TSA Screening Manager why they let him go) and justice would be best served by just taking the gun and letting him go with a citation. He was not the brightest candle in the box, but I was of the opinion that he should have left wearing a nice new set of bracelets.
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Thanks guys. I'll now be comfortable using what I have and I'll get some of those TSA Approved padlocks too.
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jimlongley wrote: The conclusion was that the passenger was "innocently unaware" of the rules (those were the words actually used by the Dallas Love Field PD LT telling the TSA Screening Manager why they let him go) and justice would be best served by just taking the gun and letting him go with a citation. He was not the brightest candle in the box, but I was of the opinion that he should have left wearing a nice new set of bracelets.

Gadzooks! He was trying to carry a loaded gun onto a plane and the let him walk?!?!

Boy that instills some confidence into the flying public. :mad:
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MBGuy wrote:Thanks guys. I'll now be comfortable using what I have and I'll get some of those TSA Approved padlocks too.
DO NOT put "TSA locks" on your gun case!

TSA locks are for your checked luggage, so that TSA inspectors can open bags whether or not you're present. TSA regs for firearms in checked baggage require that they be secured in hard cases, to which only you have the key or combination.

"TSA locks" are called that, because TSA can look at the lock code, and then open them by combination, or with the big ring of master keys they carry. It's an open secret that any case with a TSA lock isn't locked at all.

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