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therooster · Post by **therooster** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:41 pm

somenoe mentioned to me that there was a bill, or some sort of effort, in texas legislature to change the policy of police officers from not asking about citizenship to mandatory questioning of citizenship.

can anyone provide truth to this? and can anyone provide, or point me to some information about it?

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:53 pm

therooster wrote:somenoe mentioned to me that there was a bill, or some sort of effort, in texas legislature to change the policy of police officers from not asking about citizenship to mandatory questioning of citizenship.

can anyone provide truth to this? and can anyone provide, or point me to some information about it?

What are you referring to? IN what context?

ghentry · Post by **ghentry** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:55 am

I'm assuming this is what you may have heard about.

Tom Delay was quoted as supporting legislation introduced by Rep. Tom Tancredo that would withhold federal funding from cities like Houston that ignore federal immigration regulations.

Tancredo sponsored H.R. 3333 which a summary of can be found at http://tancredo.house.gov/pressers/0719 ... 0final.htm

therooster · Post by **therooster** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:16 pm

^yes... exactly what i was looking for.

do you think it has a chance of passing?

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:31 pm

HPD has a standing order 500-???, something, I forget the actual number...

That specifically prevents them HPD from "inquiring" to the individuals resident status...

If there is a law that is passed that forces local jurisdictions to change these types of policies, then I think it'll bring up a big fight...

Because we sure don't want to offend certain ethnic groups with such a policy...

So I guess to make it work, we'll ALL just have to carry around "papers" that need to be kept in order from birth to death...

Something seems very familiar with that concept...

Sometimes that slippery slope gets some help every now and then...

There goes my vivid imagination again...

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:41 pm

stevie_d_64 wrote:HPD has a standing order 500-???, something, I forget the actual number...

That specifically prevents them HPD from "inquiring" to the individuals resident status...

If there is a law that is passed that forces local jurisdictions to change these types of policies, then I think it'll bring up a big fight...

Because we sure don't want to offend certain ethnic groups with such a policy...

So I guess to make it work, we'll ALL just have to carry around "papers" that need to be kept in order from birth to death...

Something seems very familiar with that concept...

Sometimes that slippery slope gets some help every now and then...

There goes my vivid imagination again...

We had a policy that prohibited us from asking about immigration or arresting for being illegal. It is federal law, and state LEO's cannot enforce federal law. Texas should pass a state law regarding immigration, give the locals some teeth.

TraCoun · Post by **TraCoun** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:59 pm

From what I heard on the radio today, it is not so much about going out specifically to enforce the immigration law, but HPD policy says their officers cannot even ask when they have someone on another crime. The policy says that includes up to Class C (lowest?) misdemeanor. Above that they can, but the way it has developed a lot of officers feel they are risking their jobs asking about that stuff on anything. If I heard right, the policy says they are not supposed to call INS even if they KNOW the person is an IA. This came from a Houston city councilman who is trying to get the policy changed.

TraCoun

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:37 pm

TraCoun wrote:This came from a Houston city councilman who is trying to get the policy changed.

TraCoun

Would that happen to be the brunette from District "E"???

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:50 am

ICE will not respond to calls from local agencies about illegals. It sucks

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:49 am

txinvestigator wrote:ICE will not respond to calls from local agencies about illegals. It sucks

Considering Houston's INS office is up near IAH...I doubt the Minutemen folks (when and if they make any calls to them) will be getting a good response from them in October...

All the "day labor" offices and areas where likely suspects congregate are in the SW side of town...I know of one area right across from the League City Town Hall and PD office where they were "told" it was ok and approved by city government and L.E. to congregate, and wait for work...

Ironic...

AOPAPilot · Post by **AOPAPilot** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:37 am

TraCoun wrote: This came from a Houston city councilman who is trying to get the policy changed.

TraCoun

That councilman is my mothers partner (Immigration Law). My mom and him cannot stand this law. Cops should have full right to proove citizenship and if they are here illegaly send them on back. I dont know if any information directly from my mom would be usefull but if you have any specifics you would like for me to ask her or Gordon (the councilmember) then I will be happy to do so then share it with you all.

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:49 am

AOPAPilot wrote:
TraCoun wrote: This came from a Houston city councilman who is trying to get the policy changed.

TraCoun
That councilman is my mothers partner (Immigration Law). My mom and him cannot stand this law. Cops should have full right to proove citizenship and if they are here illegaly send them on back. I dont know if any information directly from my mom would be usefull but if you have any specifics you would like for me to ask her or Gordon (the councilmember) then I will be happy to do so then share it with you all.

Gordon Quan???

AOPAPilot · Post by **AOPAPilot** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:54 am

stevie_d_64 wrote:
AOPAPilot wrote:
TraCoun wrote: This came from a Houston city councilman who is trying to get the policy changed.

TraCoun
That councilman is my mothers partner (Immigration Law). My mom and him cannot stand this law. Cops should have full right to proove citizenship and if they are here illegaly send them on back. I dont know if any information directly from my mom would be usefull but if you have any specifics you would like for me to ask her or Gordon (the councilmember) then I will be happy to do so then share it with you all.
Gordon Quan???

Yes, I'd be able to ask him any specific questions if we cant find the answers ourselves. :)

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:51 pm

AOPAPilot wrote:Cops should have full right to proove citizenship and if they are here illegaly send them on back.

"Say, you look like a Canadian. Where's your proof that you're a U.S. citizen?"

Unless you carry your passport or birth certificate, you can't.

Be careful what you wish for when it comes to authorities demanding papers. We've seen where that leads.

Kevin

TraCoun · Post by **TraCoun** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:45 pm

KBCraig wrote:
AOPAPilot wrote:
TraCoun wrote: Cops should have full right to proove citizenship and if they are here illegaly send them on back.
"Say, you look like a Canadian. Where's your proof that you're a U.S. citizen?"

Unless you carry your passport or birth certificate, you can't.

Be careful what you wish for when it comes to authorities demanding papers. We've seen where that leads.

Kevin

Kevin,
One small point, the quote you attributed to me was actually from someone else who posted a reply.
You're right, it can be a mess. But in the radio segment I heard the city councilman (it was a man, but my memory is too old to have caught the name) said that he had talked to a number of policemen who said either:

1. They thought they could not ask at all, period, in any circumstance. The policy as he quoted it on the air said they could not for anything up to and including a 3rd degree misdemeanor, but could after that. So some who could have been asked and nailed were not.

2. They had stopped some individuals who they ABSOLUTELY KNEW were illegals but could do nothing about this.

This is based on his report of what these officers told him, so TIFWIW.

Also, my understanding is that this is not a LAW but a city of Houston police POLICY. The officers mentioned above would talk to him on the QT, because they didn't want to risk getting fired.

Thanx,
TraCoun

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