Executive Action Likely On Gun Control In ‘Weeks

[NotRPB]

White House Communications Director: Executive Action Likely On Gun Control In ‘Weeks Not Months’

White House communications director Jen Psaki says President Obama will be reviewing executive actions he can take to go around Congress on gun control in “weeks, not months.”

The Justice Department is currently reviewing the possibilities, trying to find avenues for executive action that would survive the threat of lawsuits from citizens and gun rights groups alike

More at:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ot-months/

[The Annoyed Man]

So, let's open this up to realistic speculation......

What kind of executive actions could a president take? I can think of one off hand that won't make black rifles illegal, but will render them useless......

• ATF is a finger on the law enforcement arm of the administration. Not long ago, gun owners had to beat back an attempt within ATF to virtually eliminate ball ammo in .223/5.56 caliber as "armor piercing" (because of the AR pistol angle). It raised the ire of Congress AND the voters back then, but fortunately ATF decided to shelve "for now" any such considerations. But "shelve" does not equal "abandon", and ATF left open the possibility that this might be revisited in the future. The future is now, and with just 397 days left until The One leaves office, he himself implied a couple of days ago at his pre-vacation news conference that he was going to be extremely proactive regarding his agenda in the time he has left in office.
  
  And really, with the crapulence of republican party elites, can we count on a Congressional action of sufficient votes to compel any president —let alone this president with his demonstrated track record of being willing to ignore Congressional authority— to rescind an executive order banning civilian sales of ball ammo in "military" calibers?
  
  I have serious doubts about how many friends we have in Congress.......from either party. But even if we could muster a majority of Congresspersons to write letters of protest or pass laws protecting us from this kind of executive action, would the president bow to the will of the people? I do not think he would.
  
  If we get Hillary as POTUS, she sure as heck won't rescind any such executive orders. Trump might not rescind any such orders, simply based on his previous support of the AWB. Rubio is an open question on this issue. Ditto Carson. Cruz would definitely rescind it.......and then get all kinds of heat in the media for "legalizing cop killer bullets". Fortunately, he uses the media for toilet paper. Rand Paul would probably rescind such an order. I have no clue what the remaining candidates would do. But unless someone releases a classified report showing that Trump sold A-bombs to North Korea, he's the (gag me with a spoon) overwhelming favorite on the R side at this point, and I have no confidence in his wisdom in this regard.

What else could he do that would mess things up for some people?

• Well, he could try and ramrod through fusing the grossly inaccurate no-fly list and terror-watch list to NICS searches, thereby canceling out the 2nd Amendment rights of tens of thousands of American citizens without due process of law.

What else?

[DEB]

Perhaps much as licensed psychotherapists must report possible child abuse, homicidal and suicidal ideations to authorities; it could be mandated that psychotherapists have a requirement to ask all those seeking help, that they must self identify if they are gun owners. If so the Psychotherapist must include a statement, within their report, that the gun owner will never be at risk of self or harm to others, or report that individual to the NICS. The Lautenberg could even be extended, that instead of being convicted, one must be reported, even if investigated and can only be removed by a Magistrate and only after they are fully satisfied that they will never be at risk of self or harm to others.

These are systems already in place and only need their reach to be extended. The self or harm to others statement is something no one would ever sign, as no one can ever be sure of the future.

[Glockster]

I've said this in other discussions about what could be done with an executive order - I would expect anything. The only thing that may stop any president from issuing one that is clearly beyond the scope of authority is the possibility of a timely review that could determine that it was beyond the authority of the president. And presidents have spent a lot of time assisted by clever people working out ways and reasons to expand their authority far beyond what existed the first 200 years of our government.

I agree that we can't be certain who is in fact a supporter, and I seriously question just who would stand up to take action. Beyond that, let's be realistic and use immigration as an example of just how long it takes for anyone to actually do something. Oh sure, there was tons of saber rattling going on, and games with the budget. But how long did it take before something, anything received any actual judicial review? A long time. How long before anything could be done in court when the other side puts the weight of the government behind keeping any temporary relief from being granted? I suspect a very long time.

And that is what is on my mind. He does something now, something that simply "can't" be done, but it is done. And I suspect that nothing would happen to stop it until after the election, and then depending upon who wins there will either be games to prevent any substantive reviews or new orders to repeal the old. But I can easily believe that if he issues something just after Jan. 1st., that it will be the topic of the day in every remaining debate and speech. It benefits any candidate to keep it in the news, not to fix it. Both parties will use it as a rally cry to join forces against the evil other side. Nobody will do anything.

So, in short, I fear what may come and believe that whatever it is we will have to live with it for at least the next 13 months.

[ScottDLS]

Perhaps much as licensed psychotherapists must report possible child abuse, homicidal and suicidal ideations to authorities; it could be mandated that psychotherapists have a requirement to ask all those seeking help, that they must self identify if they are gun owners. If so the Psychotherapist must include a statement, within their report, that the gun owner will never be at risk of self or harm to others, or report that individual to the NICS. The Lautenberg could even be extended, that instead of being convicted, one must be reported, even if investigated and can only be removed by a Magistrate and only after they are fully satisfied that they will never be at risk of self or harm to others.

These are systems already in place and only need their reach to be extended. The self or harm to others statement is something no one would ever sign, as no one can ever be sure of the future.

Why not instead of flagging in NICS, we just put the person in jail until they can prove to a magistrate that they are safe to own a gun. And then to prevent clogging up the courts, we can say you can only appeal your detention once a year to an administrative law judge working for HHS.

[mojo84]

After what I've seen lately and reading this article, I do not have much faith in congress or the republicans.

https://drhurd.com/2015/12/19/congress- ... e-trigger/

[Bitter Clinger]

[Pawpaw]

That news article stinks to high heaven.

Just think about it... The White House Communications Director is not going to release anything with out the blessing of "The One". So, why would Obama want this tidbit released? Why wouldn't he keep his cards close to his vest & then spring without warning? The other suspicious thing is the source of the Breitbart article - Bloomberg.com

He either wants to keep our side stirred up as a distraction while he does something completely different, or he wants to get us stirred up and taking on forums just like this one. We already know the anti's monitor these sites. Maybe they're hoping someone will pop out an idea they hadn't thought of.

Just food for thought.

[C-dub]

Maybe BO and all his minions have bought stock in various gun and ammunition manufacturers and he's just trying to drive up the prices and sales.

[tomtexan]

Maybe BO and all his minions have bought stock in various gun and ammunition manufacturers and he's just trying to drive up the prices and sales.

I think so!

[powerboatr]

executive actions easy
he has and can do pretty much anything, he has ordered the murder of us citizens abroad.
what is stopping him? nothing, he does not believe he has to ask for permission or even follow the law.
he can easily stop all firearm sales, by dictating some czar..take over all background checks with some new group of paperwork.
look what he had the faa do with drones...register them??? with N numbers...o sure i will get right on it

our congress is worthless at stopping anything he wants to do


but my midsouth order arrived three days early

[John Galt]

our congress is worthless at stopping anything he wants to do

Spot-on

[Oldgringo]

our congress is worthless at stopping anything he wants to do

Spot-on

It just dawned on me why that is: our formerly conservative/GOP representatives are afraid they'll be labeled racist if they question/oppose the current anti-American, closet muslim POTUS and will lose re-election votes. It's all about re-election, not the American people or the Constitution.

TERM LIMITS! We need term limits for all congressional and judicial offices NOW.

[Glockster]

executive actions easy
he has and can do pretty much anything, he has ordered the murder of us citizens abroad.
what is stopping him? nothing, he does not believe he has to ask for permission or even follow the law.
he can easily stop all firearm sales, by dictating some czar..take over all background checks with some new group of paperwork.
look what he had the faa do with drones...register them??? with N numbers...o sure i will get right on it

our congress is worthless at stopping anything he wants to do


but my midsouth order arrived three days early

Especially when there would be that very vocal minority applauding loudly. For the children.

[Rvrrat14]

His continued fails leads him much closer to a 'have to' impeachment. I think even he is smarter than that.

We are all vigilant, and should be. But could you ever imagine someone knocking on your door to 'pick up your guns'. Ain't gonna happen. They can make it hard on us, like they have in the past. But right wins out. We need to somehow get Marty to set the 'clock' up to Jan 2017. HURRY! HIt 88 mph!!!!!!

Glad I just finished another AR!