The Magnum (an intimidating term)

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The Magnum (an intimidating term)

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My impression is that Texas in particular had quite a love of "The Magnum" as .357 Magnums (and even some .44 Magnum) appeared popular in times past. Somebody years ago commented to me "the farther west you went, the larger or more powerful the gun bores became."

A few years ago I had the pleasure of working with a former Texas Sheriff's deputy. The guy looked just like Dennis Weaver as deputy McCloud. In discussing guns, he favored Ruger .357 Magnum Service Six. His partner, I believe, favored the S&W M29 .44 Magnum. This former officer frowned on the 9mm semi automatic as lacking penetration. Heavily advocated shot placement we well. A lot has obviously changed, including the 9mm...to some extent. But I think those older officers carry with them quite a bit of wisdom. :txflag:
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There is a lot of wisdom that can be obtained from some of the older LEOs.

You have to remember that for many years most police forces would only let officers carry revolvers.

Semi-automatic pistols were not seen as reliable and durable.

As far as the "magnums", the .357 Mag was probably the most popular with LEOs,

Handgun hunters liked the .44 Mag, but most people didn't want to carry a pistol that big or powerful.

I think Dirty Harry had more to do with making the 44 Magnum popular with the masses.

I also think the term magnum was a pretty good marketing tool.

Not really a specific meaning or requirement, but it's powerful. :cool:

IMO, the .41 Mag was a pretty good compromise, but it never really took off.

The caliber wars for semi-automatics continued with the 10mm Auto and 357 Sig, but they haven't replaced the 9 mm or 45 ACP.

I think a lot has to do with the cost and availability of ammo and the number of choices for each caliber.

That has a lot to do with the caliber being used by the military.
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I always thought that it was interesting that marketing people [and probably the public} like round or even numbers.

The bullet diameter for a 38 Special, 357 Magnum, .380 ACP and 9 mm are nominally 0.355-0.357 inches.

The 44 Magnum is 0.429 inches. I guess a 43 Magnum doesn't sound as impressive. :mrgreen:
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Boy, that sure does bring back the memories. Thanks! :tiphat:

Back in the mid 60's, and I think it was the summer between my junior & senior year of high school, I had a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 magnum. I honestly don't remember how I came to acquire it, but knowing me I probably got it a pawn shop. IIRC, I paid like $80 or $90 for it. Since we had moved back to Ft.Worth after selling our ranch up in Clay County, I didn't have many places I could think of to shoot it. So I drove up to Denton where I was going to high school at the time. They had a 125 acres just west of Denton on hwy. 380. It was during the Christmas break and nobody was at the school. I drove up there with 2 things in mind. One to feed my horse(when we moved off the ranch, I wanted to bring it with me, and as as it happened, the school was more than glad to let me keep it there. I miss you Pancho).

Secondly was to try out my brand spanking new(used) Ruger Blackhawk in .41 magnum. Back then, Selwyn was REALLY out in the country. About 1 mi. west of I-35. I walked down into the pasture and after feeding my horse, drug out the Blackhawk. I wanted to shoot it for the first time, and as kids go, I needed a target. Welllllll.....the only target I could find was an old car bumper wayyyyy out at the back of the school property. I thought that that would make a nifty target, so I made my preparations. I loaded the thing, thought about the probability of ricochet, decided it was safe, and bore down on it. Now I knew that a glancing ricochet might not be too wise as it could go a far distance and possibly do some damage. So I tried to get a shot placement that was as close to dead on, with no angle(of deflection) as I could so the bullet would simply just bounce back. I wound up in a sitting position(as prescribed by the Army field manual for the 4 positions of firing a gun), leveled down on the bumper, minimized my angle of deflection, and fired off a round. Mind you that was my FIRST time I shot ANY kind of magnum center fire pistol cartridge.

Well! It kicked like a mule, so much so the single action slid back into my hand, and the only thing stopping it was the web of my hand! I then fired the second shot....same thing. It kicked back into the web of my hand. My 1911 didn't do that....why did this one? On the 3rd shot I figured out the taper of the grip was to much for me to get a firm grip. Remember I was only 17 years old. I wasn't strong enough. The 1911 I mastered, but not this hand cannon.

I quickly realized that I didn't like the gun AT ALL! But I gutted it out and managed to get through 12 rounds before giving up. I STILL didn't like it. I gave up. I brought it home and wound up selling it for like $95 a few months later.

As far as the bumper goes, the round sure did put a strong dent in it, but never penetrated it(I was curious about that as well). And my biggest disappointment was I never found a 'bounced back bullet'. IIRC I was shooting a flat nosed lead round that was jacketed in copper. Sorry but I don't know what you call it. :oops:

Apologies for being so long winded(& hijacking the thread), but I wanted to tell at least one story. I have so many like that. :lol:

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Model 57 is a nice weapon. I always have gone with a 27 as wad-cutters were free and plentiful.
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Way back in the good old days (like 1987), I was issued a Model 65 S&W in .357 magnum for a duty weapon. I thought it was a very good weapon, almost as good as a 1911. I liked the semi's, but a revolver worked very well for patrol. I thought the Model 19 or 66 with a 4" barrel was the best patrol revolver, until the GP-100 came along.

Then the gangs started getting attention for carrying automatic weapons and the police were all of a sudden outgunned, according to the media. When Bill Gibson (then Chief of Police for San Antonio) was asked about why we stuck with revolvers, his answer was that we were not outgunned. We had training and skill and even had practiced our tactics and the gang members did not. This gave us advantages over the gangs that would not be able to beat.

A little after that, around 92, the federal Dept. of Justice came along and complained that SAPD had 4 million dollars in the asset seizure fund that had to be used for police equipment and we had not been spending it. They were going to take it back if we did not use it. All of a sudden, we really were outgunned and had to have a modern weapon. We ended up with Glock 22s in .40S&W. There were five different guns in the competition (Glock, a Sig, S&W, and I cannot remember the other two) but Glock had the winning bid (a separate story in itself). I still think the Glock 22 Gen 1 was a step down from the revolvers we had though the Gen 3 is a better weapon.
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Steve what a fascinating story! Thank you for sharing it with us! :tiphat: It gives us not involved in law enforcement a good look back in time as to what was going on back then that leads us to where we are right now. Thank you.
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joe817 wrote:Boy, that sure does bring back the memories. Thanks! :tiphat:

Apologies for being so long winded(& hijacking the thread), but I wanted to tell at least one story. I have so many like that. :lol:

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It's not my thread so hijack away! :lol:

I have a couple stories about a Model 29 S&W and a Thompson Contender with a .44 Mag barrel which I may post a bit later.
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joe817 wrote:Steve what a fascinating story! Thank you for sharing it with us! :tiphat: It gives us not involved in law enforcement a good look back in time as to what was going on back then that leads us to where we are right now. Thank you.
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Magnum wasn't intimidating! Always smiling , cruising around in Ferrari, living in Hawaii, teaching folks how to swim. And he carried a 9mm.
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Oh! Not Magnum P.I.? Never mind.
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Dadtodabone wrote:Magnum wasn't intimidating! Always smiling , cruising around in Ferrari, living in Hawaii, teaching folks how to swim. And he carried a 9mm.
http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/the ... -colt.aspx



Oh! Not Magnum P.I.? Never mind.
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Where do you think they got the idea for his name? :mrgreen:
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WildBill wrote:
Dadtodabone wrote:Magnum wasn't intimidating! Always smiling , cruising around in Ferrari, living in Hawaii, teaching folks how to swim. And he carried a 9mm.
http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/the ... -colt.aspx



Oh! Not Magnum P.I.? Never mind.
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Where do you think they got the idea for his name? :mrgreen:
Champagne bottle?
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Dadtodabone wrote:
WildBill wrote:
Dadtodabone wrote:Magnum wasn't intimidating! Always smiling , cruising around in Ferrari, living in Hawaii, teaching folks how to swim. And he carried a 9mm.
http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/the ... -colt.aspx



Oh! Not Magnum P.I.? Never mind.
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Where do you think they got the idea for his name? :mrgreen:
Champagne bottle?
I don't think so.
Funny, but I was thinking of Champagne during my previous post.
I used to work in a winery that made California sparkling wine [we couldn't legally call it Champagne]. :lol:
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Steve, wasn't San Antonio PD the only agency to adopt the .41 Magnum as the "official" sidearm? I think it was either a Smith Model 57 or 58 back in the early 70's.

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I purchased a S&W 629-4 8" barrel from a guy that had only shot 8 rounds through it. It is a beautiful gun but I was apprehensive about shooting it at first as I had never fired a .44 magnum before. I loaded only one round in the chambers and was surprised that it was not that much to handle although the 629 with an 8" barrel is a pretty big gun and relatively easy to control. I have let others shoot it as well and with the big guns I only load one round just to make sure they can handle it and not kill themselves.
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