Navy Seal first hand account during the JFK airport shooting

[dragun]

Thought this was a good article in general, especially for those who like myself, fly a lot.

https://sofrep.com/61613/jfk-airport-ac ... e-shooter/

[ELB]

Interesting. This was actually a big... deal, as Joe would say, and looks like it is getting little press inside the US.

More here: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... wasnt.html

[JALLEN]

Odd that both stories used the same photo.

Watch out for Brandon Webb. He seems to have a flair for self promotion, given to what old SEALS referred to as "pimping the Budweiser." I vaguely recall he was involved in some foolishness awhile back, the details of which have now escaped me.

I used to follow his blog/website, but was soured on his reliability, and now don't bother.

[TexasTornado]

That was a cool article. I will be reconsidering my carry ons for sure.

[ELB]

Odd that both stories used the same photo.

Watch out for Brandon Webb. He seems to have a flair for self promotion, given to what old SEALS referred to as "pimping the Budweiser." I vaguely recall he was involved in some foolishness awhile back, the details of which have now escaped me.

I used to follow his blog/website, but was soured on his reliability, and now don't bother.

He did seem a bit...lofty...about his own actions. Nevertheless, I do think his basic recommendations are good, and his account seems to jibe with the other one I found.. He is not the only one to note that when things go really bad, you are on your own, don't depend on the cavalry to come save you.

[TexasTornado]

Odd that both stories used the same photo.

Watch out for Brandon Webb. He seems to have a flair for self promotion, given to what old SEALS referred to as "pimping the Budweiser." I vaguely recall he was involved in some foolishness awhile back, the details of which have now escaped me.

I used to follow his blog/website, but was soured on his reliability, and now don't bother.

He did seem a bit...lofty...about his own actions. Nevertheless, I do think his basic recommendations are good, and his account seems to jibe with the other one I found.. He is not the only one to note that when things go really bad, you are on your own, don't depend on the cavalry to come save you.

Lofty...good word. I've yet to meet a SEAL I could get along with; they've all been arrogant as all hell. The SF guys tend to be a lot more chill....still cocky but not arrogant. Yes there's a difference.

[JALLEN]

Lofty...good word. I've yet to meet a SEAL I could get along with; they've all been arrogant as all heck. The SF guys tend to be a lot more chill....still cocky but not arrogant. Yes there's a difference.

I lived for years down the road from the Amphib Base in Coronado, my brother in law was a SEAL, retired an O-6. I got to know quite a few of those guys, triathloning, etc. These were mostly older, mostly officers. I wouldn't use the word "arrogant" to describe them, but they were confident, given to planning their activities, thinking ahead, accustomed to having things go their way.

I learned a great deal from those associations.

They liked having me along on long swims, since I was entitled to professional courtesy as a lawyer.

[TexasTornado]

...accustomed to having things go their way.

And how well does it usually go over with women when you believe you're always right???

Exactly.

[The Annoyed Man]

Odd that both stories used the same photo.

Watch out for Brandon Webb. He seems to have a flair for self promotion, given to what old SEALS referred to as "pimping the Budweiser." I vaguely recall he was involved in some foolishness awhile back, the details of which have now escaped me.

I used to follow his blog/website, but was soured on his reliability, and now don't bother.

He did seem a bit...lofty...about his own actions. Nevertheless, I do think his basic recommendations are good, and his account seems to jibe with the other one I found.. He is not the only one to note that when things go really bad, you are on your own, don't depend on the cavalry to come save you.

I've read a few of Webb's books, and they are OK as far as they go. His problem is that he sometimes opens his mouth and steps on his own.....uh.....his "preconceptions" show. There was a flap about him a few years ago, either just before or while he was running for a position on the NRA board, where he made some statements about how mere civilians ought not be allowed to own MSRs unless they had had military training .....or something equally vacuous. He subsequently had to back and fill a bit.

I've only met a couple of people in my entire life who were former SEALs, and never to my knowledge met an active duty SEAL. It would not be fair for me therefore to make generalities about arrogance. My wife did meet a real live active duty SEAL a couple of years ago. She did light housekeeping for a local husband/wife team of doctors at the time who operate a practice not far from my home, and a friend of theirs was staying at their home while studying for his medical boards on his way to becoming an MD....and was an active duty SEAL at the time. She said he was a super calm, super nice guy, but he was pretty focused on his books most of the time. I rather suspect that some of the perception on the part of others of SEAL arrogance is due in no small part to their being a somewhat insular community for sort of obvious reasons, which leads to somewhat of the same kind of "them vs us" attitude that can be found sometimes (or used to be found, at any rate) among LEOs. I've run into the same standoffish attitude in the past with the LEOs I grew to know when I worked in the ER. Bt after getting to know them a bit, I was allowed into the inner circle, and the nature of the relationships changed.

OTH, the former MARSOC and SF guys I've met have been universally friendly and humble - very easy to get along with right from the get-go. The one former Delta guy I've met was a pleasant enough guy, pretty quiet, and not much of one for conversation.....but he didn't come off as arrogant, just quiet and reserved.

[AJSully421]

Perfect example of sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. Easy to figure out who is who... and it is surprising who some of the sheep end up being.

[JALLEN]

...accustomed to having things go their way.

And how well does it usually go over with women when you believe you're always right???

Exactly.

I wouldn't know.

[bblhd672]

...accustomed to having things go their way.

And how well does it usually go over with women when you believe you're always right???

Exactly.

Well, divorce rates are pretty high among the Special Operations Forces.

[ELB]

Don't know many special forces types -- two that I know of actually, both pretty good guys -- but I think the actual notable event in this thread is the fiasco at JFK and how it was or wasn't handled... :)

[TexasTornado]

...accustomed to having things go their way.

And how well does it usually go over with women when you believe you're always right???

Exactly.

Well, divorce rates are pretty high among the Special Operations Forces.

Yea, the time spent away, knowing the risk to the man you love, the decompression time when he comes home before he's "normal" again. None of it is easy. You fall for the man and try to live with the job knowing it's a package deal.

[TexasTornado]

Don't know many special forces types -- two that I know of actually, both pretty good guys -- but I think the actual notable event in this thread is the fiasco at JFK and how it was or wasn't handled... :)

Yep, got off topic sorry.