Sig 938 range-test
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Thanks for the report and good luck with the glasses. I'm looking for the "Like" button! LOL Did the gunk from the steel Win ammo wash off with water or was it greasy? I'm in Mansfield and am going try to get a trip to a local range to shoot a little Star SS 380 I bought a while back. Maybe Alpine, which is practically around the corner if it quits raining or Target Time on 1157.
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Great range report Andy! Well done, and good shooting! 

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I feel your pain on the sight focusing, I can't see jack past about 7-10 yards. Doesn't matter what glasses I wear I can't focus well at distance
At least they let you shoot steel case ammo, frisco range doesn't
At least they let you shoot steel case ammo, frisco range doesn't
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Great news! That little pistol will serve you well!
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Great report, Andy!
BTW, they say the trick to accuracy with the P938 & P238 is to keep your trigger finger high on the trigger, in contact with the frame. My testing seems to confirm that, but I'm not the pistol shot you are.
I know that won't help with the glasses or blister, but it's something to keep in mind.
BTW, they say the trick to accuracy with the P938 & P238 is to keep your trigger finger high on the trigger, in contact with the frame. My testing seems to confirm that, but I'm not the pistol shot you are.
I know that won't help with the glasses or blister, but it's something to keep in mind.
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It looks like anti-seize compound used on pipe thread.AndyC wrote:It felt greasy and was very sparkly, but it washed off very easily with the range bathroom liquid soap.puma guy wrote:Did the gunk from the steel Win ammo wash off with water or was it greasy?

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It looks to me like graphite in an oil suspension.
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It looks like a thread lubricant formulated from synthetic graphite and petrolatum to me.
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Some we Winchester bullets use lubalox.
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It looks like Andy's transmogrifying into the Silver Surfer to me.
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BTW...
A Hint for the Rapidly Aging and Eyesight Challenged Competitive Handgun Shooter
However, you can adapt to the seemingly bizarre prescription and function with it every day. I've forgotten my regular glasses before, and operated just fine driving, shooting, signing cards (looked over the glasses to do that) having a social lunch, and driving back home. Your brain adjusts...to a lesser degree of requirement than those experiments where researchers give subjects glasses that invert the image and, after a short while, the poor experimental subjects can function normally even though everything is being sent to their eyes upside down.
But if your near/far eyesight has been cranked by age, the experience of wearing the right prescription while pushing out a handgun with iron sights for the first time is almost breathtaking. You're seeing the field like an 18-year-old with 20/15 vision...and one who knows how to interpret that field. The front sight is absolute crystal and is the most dominant thing in your FOV, while at the same time everything at distance is as crisp and sharp as you'd expect and you can switch back and forth with the instant clarity of...well, of an 18-year-old with 20/15 vision.
Also works well with focused scopes, natch. Even a holographic sight (e.g., EOTech) works well because, even though the dominant eye is fuzzying the red-dot and beyond, the non-dominant eye is compensating and sharpening the environment.
A special note that Andy is well aware of, but I'm just throwing it out for general information. When asked by your optician, always skip polarized lenses .
The purpose of polarization is to help prevent reflections. Nice if you're going fishing. Not so nice if you're flying an airplane, driving a car that has a heads-up display, or shooting a holographic sight. As early as 2009, it was found that wearing polarized glasses while using holographic sights caused the red-dot to disappear in all but about 60% of the ocular range.
One of the foremost optics manufacturers recommends:
And before all you bergs beat me to it:


A Hint for the Rapidly Aging and Eyesight Challenged Competitive Handgun Shooter
- Pick up one of your handguns with a 4" barrel (not too long, not too short).
- Hold it in your normal shooting stance.
- Have a friend measure and record the distance from your dominant eye to the front sight (e.g., something like 26.5 inches).
- Get your eye exam.
- After the optometrist records your near and far distances and all the astigmatic-presbyopic stuff that goes with it, ask if he/she will also record a value for your dominant eye out to the distance your friend previously noted for you; likely to cost you nothing, or at least very little, for the extra two minutes of time.
- Ask the optometrist if he/she can also record your pupillary distance (PD); a vital measurement. Many don't; they leave that up to the dispensing optician. But if you can get it now, it will allow you the option of online ordering...which can be much cheaper, for example http://www.zennioptical.com/; I have three of theirs and have been satisfied...at costs of up to 300% less than local brick-and-mortar.
- Go to your selected dispensing optician and ask for single-vision glasses with the dominant eye in the "special" value, and the non-dominant in your regular full-distance prescription.
- Make certain you get UV coating and polycarbonate lenses that are shatter resistant; pretty de rigueur nowadays. Frame style and tint at will.
- Put on your new glasses about five to 10 minutes before you plan to shoot. Takes your eyes--well, your brain--a short while to adjust, but adjust they (it) do (does).
However, you can adapt to the seemingly bizarre prescription and function with it every day. I've forgotten my regular glasses before, and operated just fine driving, shooting, signing cards (looked over the glasses to do that) having a social lunch, and driving back home. Your brain adjusts...to a lesser degree of requirement than those experiments where researchers give subjects glasses that invert the image and, after a short while, the poor experimental subjects can function normally even though everything is being sent to their eyes upside down.
But if your near/far eyesight has been cranked by age, the experience of wearing the right prescription while pushing out a handgun with iron sights for the first time is almost breathtaking. You're seeing the field like an 18-year-old with 20/15 vision...and one who knows how to interpret that field. The front sight is absolute crystal and is the most dominant thing in your FOV, while at the same time everything at distance is as crisp and sharp as you'd expect and you can switch back and forth with the instant clarity of...well, of an 18-year-old with 20/15 vision.
Also works well with focused scopes, natch. Even a holographic sight (e.g., EOTech) works well because, even though the dominant eye is fuzzying the red-dot and beyond, the non-dominant eye is compensating and sharpening the environment.
A special note that Andy is well aware of, but I'm just throwing it out for general information. When asked by your optician, always skip polarized lenses .
The purpose of polarization is to help prevent reflections. Nice if you're going fishing. Not so nice if you're flying an airplane, driving a car that has a heads-up display, or shooting a holographic sight. As early as 2009, it was found that wearing polarized glasses while using holographic sights caused the red-dot to disappear in all but about 60% of the ocular range.
One of the foremost optics manufacturers recommends:
I will now go back to designing my patent-pending eyeglasses with flip-up lenses that will allow a shooter on-demand perfect vision at all distances.ZEISS Group wrote: Important: why pilots should avoid polarization filters for their glasses
Sunglasses or prescription eyeglass lenses with polarization filters are not suitable for most pilots. Such filters normally provide protection against reflections, but pilots should always avoid them, as the special structure of many cockpit screens combined with the effect of polarizing lenses can quickly impair a pilot's vision, occasionally preventing the pilot from noticing certain signals at all. In certain weather conditions, some aircraft can be difficult to visibly detect, or only recognizable by the sunlight reflecting off their outer shell. If this reflection is blocked by an additional polarization filter in their glasses, the pilot may not see the other aircraft at all, which presents a hazardous situation. Also, depending on the position of the pilot's head, LCD displays (instruments, navigation devices, etc.) may be impossible to read through such lenses, or may be perceived simply as black surfaces.
And before all you bergs beat me to it:


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I purchased safety glasses and stick on bifocal lenses. I applied a stick on to my dominant/right lens and nothing to the left.Skiprr wrote:BTW...
A Hint for the Rapidly Aging and Eyesight Challenged Competitive Handgun Shooter
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Not as good as prescription but an acceptable alternative in the short term. I need the readers but still ok in the distance, or good enough distance vision for now...