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Re: Real Taylor Gun Show 2019 - no 30.06 or 30.07 signs

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I've never been asked by a LEO at a gun show. They set up a table outside, and zip tie guns that are being carried into the show, but I CC right past, and have had no issues. If I was bringing in a gun to sell or trade, or to match up with a holster, or other accessories, I would have it zip tied, but my carry gun will not leave my holster, unless it is absolutely necessary. My understanding is that unless you are being detained, or stopped in traffic, a LEO has no authority, to ask you anything.IANAL
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Re: Real Taylor Gun Show 2019 - no 30.06 or 30.07 signs

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From their website

Open Carry Rules

Patrons and vendors will be allowed to carry both concealed and open carry while at the Real Texas Gun Show.
HOWEVER, NOTHING HAS CHANGED CONCERNING BRINGING LOADED WEAPONS INTO THE GUN SHOW, IT IS NOT PERMITTED!!!!!

You will be ask to remove your ammunition and leave it in your vehicle. This is a safety issue only. Loaded weapons have not ever been allowed on the gun show floor by PATRONS OR VENDORS. We strive to provide a safe, family atmosphere and this will helps to prevent accidental discharges. You are entering into a PRIVATE EVENT and bringing loaded firearms into this PRIVATE EVENT IS PROHIBITED!!!

Refusal to comply with this rule is grounds for removal from the premise and or arrest.


So I guess you are safe with a loaded gun outside of the gunshow but a danger at the gunshow. I personally would not go as this is the same as 06/07 signage.
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rotor wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:53 pm From their website

Open Carry Rules

Patrons and vendors will be allowed to carry both concealed and open carry while at the Real Texas Gun Show.
HOWEVER, NOTHING HAS CHANGED CONCERNING BRINGING LOADED WEAPONS INTO THE GUN SHOW, IT IS NOT PERMITTED!!!!!

You will be ask to remove your ammunition and leave it in your vehicle. This is a safety issue only. Loaded weapons have not ever been allowed on the gun show floor by PATRONS OR VENDORS. We strive to provide a safe, family atmosphere and this will helps to prevent accidental discharges. You are entering into a PRIVATE EVENT and bringing loaded firearms into this PRIVATE EVENT IS PROHIBITED!!!

Refusal to comply with this rule is grounds for removal from the premise and or arrest.


So I guess you are safe with a loaded gun outside of the gunshow but a danger at the gunshow. I personally would not go as this is the same as 06/07 signage.
Well...nothing says “2A friendly” quite like the threat of being arrested.
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LDP wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:36 pm
bblhd672 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:23 pmWell...nothing says “2A friendly” quite like the threat of being arrested.
I wonder if these signs are for mostly for insurance reasons to appease the underwriters but not to limit legal LTC holders from exercising our rights.
If my guess is right, I appreciate their subtle effort not to infringe by not posting real 06 and 07 signs.

But my question stands: what do we do when the LEO at the door asks "do you have any guns?" (or similar)
Legally, you have to disclose. Or am I wrong?
And illegally, he might command you to disarm.
Unless you want to be like one of the OCT guys and give the LEO a hard time. "Am I being detained for some reason officer?" Which might prompt asking for your ID at which point you are required to disclose you have LTC and are carrying.

I don't know a good answer.....
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Re: Real Taylor Gun Show 2019 - no 30.06 or 30.07 signs

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rotor wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:53 pm From their website

Open Carry Rules

Patrons and vendors will be allowed to carry both concealed and open carry while at the Real Texas Gun Show.
HOWEVER, NOTHING HAS CHANGED CONCERNING BRINGING LOADED WEAPONS INTO THE GUN SHOW, IT IS NOT PERMITTED!!!!!

You will be ask to remove your ammunition and leave it in your vehicle. This is a safety issue only. Loaded weapons have not ever been allowed on the gun show floor by PATRONS OR VENDORS. We strive to provide a safe, family atmosphere and this will helps to prevent accidental discharges. You are entering into a PRIVATE EVENT and bringing loaded firearms into this PRIVATE EVENT IS PROHIBITED!!!

Refusal to comply with this rule is grounds for removal from the premise and or arrest.


So I guess you are safe with a loaded gun outside of the gunshow but a danger at the gunshow. I personally would not go as this is the same as 06/07 signage.

It is not the same since it does not include the correct wording.
You cannot be subject to arrest, unless you refuse to leave when asked, because at that point, and only, at that point, have you been given effective notice. Having wording other than 30.06/30.07 signage, especially on a web site, is not effective notice. They can kick you out, but there is no legal prosecution available. Again IANAL , but if they truly wanted to have the force of law, they must post legal signage. They know that doing so, would alienate their most important base. As I said, I would never pull out a loaded gun, to check the fit of a holster or other accessories, but their half hearted verbage, appeases the property owners. JMHO
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Re: Real Taylor Gun Show 2019 - no 30.06 or 30.07 signs

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Jusme wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:37 pm
rotor wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:53 pm From their website

Open Carry Rules

Patrons and vendors will be allowed to carry both concealed and open carry while at the Real Texas Gun Show.
HOWEVER, NOTHING HAS CHANGED CONCERNING BRINGING LOADED WEAPONS INTO THE GUN SHOW, IT IS NOT PERMITTED!!!!!

You will be ask to remove your ammunition and leave it in your vehicle. This is a safety issue only. Loaded weapons have not ever been allowed on the gun show floor by PATRONS OR VENDORS. We strive to provide a safe, family atmosphere and this will helps to prevent accidental discharges. You are entering into a PRIVATE EVENT and bringing loaded firearms into this PRIVATE EVENT IS PROHIBITED!!!

Refusal to comply with this rule is grounds for removal from the premise and or arrest.


So I guess you are safe with a loaded gun outside of the gunshow but a danger at the gunshow. I personally would not go as this is the same as 06/07 signage.

It is not the same since it does not include the correct wording.
You cannot be subject to arrest, unless you refuse to leave when asked, because at that point, and only, at that point, have you been given effective notice. Having wording other than 30.06/30.07 signage, especially on a web site, is not effective notice. They can kick you out, but there is no legal prosecution available. Again IANAL , but if they truly wanted to have the force of law, they must post legal signage. They know that doing so, would alienate their most important base. As I said, I would never pull out a loaded gun, to check the fit of a holster or other accessories, but their half hearted verbage, appeases the property owners. JMHO
I understand that this does not meet 06/07 standards. They are talking about loaded weapons which includes handguns, rifles, whatever. If you are carrying concealed and the security guard asks if you have a weapon and you say yes and they want to see that is unloaded you will either unload or leave and if you refuse to leave they can arrest you for trespassing. Verbal warning that no loaded firearms are allowed is sufficient.
I personally would not attend the gun show under those circumstances. My local gun show was held in city owned property, posted 06/07 and I complained to the city manager and the signs were removed. They had an all guns unloaded sign and I carried as per usual. Security did NOT ask if I was carrying. The show was terrible and had gotten smaller (and more expensive) and will not see my presence again.
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Re: Real Taylor Gun Show 2019 - no 30.06 or 30.07 signs

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rotor wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:22 pm
Jusme wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:37 pm
rotor wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:53 pm From their website

Open Carry Rules

Patrons and vendors will be allowed to carry both concealed and open carry while at the Real Texas Gun Show.
HOWEVER, NOTHING HAS CHANGED CONCERNING BRINGING LOADED WEAPONS INTO THE GUN SHOW, IT IS NOT PERMITTED!!!!!

You will be ask to remove your ammunition and leave it in your vehicle. This is a safety issue only. Loaded weapons have not ever been allowed on the gun show floor by PATRONS OR VENDORS. We strive to provide a safe, family atmosphere and this will helps to prevent accidental discharges. You are entering into a PRIVATE EVENT and bringing loaded firearms into this PRIVATE EVENT IS PROHIBITED!!!

Refusal to comply with this rule is grounds for removal from the premise and or arrest.


So I guess you are safe with a loaded gun outside of the gunshow but a danger at the gunshow. I personally would not go as this is the same as 06/07 signage.

It is not the same since it does not include the correct wording.
You cannot be subject to arrest, unless you refuse to leave when asked, because at that point, and only, at that point, have you been given effective notice. Having wording other than 30.06/30.07 signage, especially on a web site, is not effective notice. They can kick you out, but there is no legal prosecution available. Again IANAL , but if they truly wanted to have the force of law, they must post legal signage. They know that doing so, would alienate their most important base. As I said, I would never pull out a loaded gun, to check the fit of a holster or other accessories, but their half hearted verbage, appeases the property owners. JMHO
I understand that this does not meet 06/07 standards. They are talking about loaded weapons which includes handguns, rifles, whatever. If you are carrying concealed and the security guard asks if you have a weapon and you say yes and they want to see that is unloaded you will either unload or leave and if you refuse to leave they can arrest you for trespassing. Verbal warning that no loaded firearms are allowed is sufficient.
I personally would not attend the gun show under those circumstances. My local gun show was held in city owned property, posted 06/07 and I complained to the city manager and the signs were removed. They had an all guns unloaded sign and I carried as per usual. Security did NOT ask if I was carrying. The show was terrible and had gotten smaller (and more expensive) and will not see my presence again.
If security asked if I was carrying, I would just say no, regardless of whether I was or not. They can ask, and I can lie, decline to answer, or answer truthfully, as I please. If the operators of the show want to use the force of criminal law to exclude an otherwise lawful activity, then they can darn well figure out how to post the right notice. If they don’t they either don’t care or are tacitly approving carry. I feel no obligation to try to determine their intentions. :banghead:
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