22 LR think about it?

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I didn't state that the 22 will be my self defense rifle. That is what my AR is for. But its replacing the AR in the truck because I'd rather have it stolen than the AR. I'd actually prefer nothing to be stolen lol. And it's main purpose is for critters.

The words "truck gun" have different meanings depending on location. When folks in an urban area talk about a truck gun, or trunk gun, they are talking about a defensive rifle. Out on a farm, the truck gun is used for critters... personally, my truck gun was a Marlin .30-30. It was up to the task no matter what critter I came across.

And if I had to I could use to defend myself. This is not a self defense rifle but basically an OSR ( oh _______ rifle ).

Agree. Could be used for defense, if need be.

And adults can handle the recoil of an AR but not all of them. My fiancé who is 115lbs soaking wet can't shoot the AR well because it kicks but she can shoot the 22 in the same hole rapidly. So carrying a big gun isn't about the man card. Sometimes a smaller option is ok.

I'm sorry, but if the fiance can't handle the recoil of the AR, then something else is wrong. I bet it is more noise related than physical recoil. I've seen children as young as 7 and 8 yrs old handle ARs.

So there is a pro to the .22lr over the AR... much less noise.

And a Ruger Bx mag holds 25 ok?? They can snap together so you have 50'rounds really quick.

Yep, just like AR mags can be taped together in a similar fashion.

Rim fire is not as reliable but using quality ammo makes a big difference.

True, but even high quality .22lr ammunition is prone to misfire more than surplus 5.56mm.

This is all a matter of opinions. I personally wouldn't want to get shot with anything.

Agree.

A buddy of mine told me his friend was a Deputy in Arkansas and got shot with a 22 in the abdomen the bullet bounced around and lodged in His heart killing him.

Don't doubt this one bit. A .22lr can be lethal. However, I bet that deputy was able to return fire, and quite possibly died at the hospital. If I am in a defensive shooting, I want to stop the threat ASAP. I want them down without the ability to return fire.

So all in all i understand all of yalls valid points. This is why I like this forum. People can do this and stay civilized. I have been on other cites where such is not the case

Personally, I enjoy a good discussion and debate... that is what a "discussion forum" is all about, right? Be kinda boring if we all had the same opinion!

[surprise_i'm_armed]

"Hush puppies" was mentioned above.

Does this mean a .22 with a silencer/suppesor/can on it?

SIA

[JALLEN]

"Hush puppies" was mentioned above.

Does this mean a .22 with a silencer/suppesor/can on it?

SIA

Yep.

[Boxerrider]

I made an incorrect inference based on the term truck gun. Yes, the 22LR is an incredibly useful cartridge, and the 10-22 a great way to put it to use.

[The Annoyed Man]

I saw a lot of dead gunshot victims during my years working in an ER, and the majority were shot with a .22. The problem of course, from a self defense perspective, is that most of them did not die instantly. The only ones who would have been instantly incapacitated were either shot in the aorta and bled out in seconds, or were brain shot. The rest would have had plenty of time to wreak major havoc before expiring if so inclined.

I have great faith in the cartridge's ability to put meat on the table in a survival situation.....but it wouldn't be even close to my first choice if that meat had it in mind to put me on its table first.

[ScottDLS]

I have a little Ciener 22lr kit for my Ruger AC556 automatic carbine. Normally it's 5.56, but that gets costly on full auto. Plus with its 13" bbl it's loud as heck. With the 22lr kit it runs like a mac10 on crank...It sounds like an angry hornet and must be running around 1200 rpm. I figure I could cut the bad guy in half with it... However it tends to jam every 30 rds or so.

[The Annoyed Man]

I have a little Ciener 22lr kit for my Ruger AC556 automatic carbine. Normally it's 5.56, but that gets costly on full auto. Plus with its 13" bbl it's loud as heck. With the 22lr kit it runs like a mac10 on crank...It sounds like an angry hornet and must be running around 1200 rpm. I figure I could cut the bad guy in half with it... However it tends to jam every 30 rds or so.

Can we have a play date some time?

[ScottDLS]

I have a little Ciener 22lr kit for my Ruger AC556 automatic carbine. Normally it's 5.56, but that gets costly on full auto. Plus with its 13" bbl it's loud as heck. With the 22lr kit it runs like a mac10 on crank...It sounds like an angry hornet and must be running around 1200 rpm. I figure I could cut the bad guy in half with it... However it tends to jam every 30 rds or so.

Can we have a play date some time?

If I could find somwhere to shoot full auto outdoors....I used to go up to Sanger...

Seriously I've got to find a silencer that will go on the Ruger...My ears ring even with plugs and earmuffs. Maybe you and AndyC can show me how to build one on a form 1. I can't afford any more full auto these days, but with the CLEO sign off requirement gone I may want a can for the AC556

[The Annoyed Man]

I have a little Ciener 22lr kit for my Ruger AC556 automatic carbine. Normally it's 5.56, but that gets costly on full auto. Plus with its 13" bbl it's loud as heck. With the 22lr kit it runs like a mac10 on crank...It sounds like an angry hornet and must be running around 1200 rpm. I figure I could cut the bad guy in half with it... However it tends to jam every 30 rds or so.

Can we have a play date some time?

If I could find somwhere to shoot full auto outdoors....I used to go up to Sanger...

Seriously I've got to find a silencer that will go on the Ruger...My ears ring even with plugs and earmuffs. Maybe you and AndyC can show me how to build one on a form 1. I can't afford any more full auto these days, but with the CLEO sign off requirement gone I may want a can for the AC556

I'm a member at ETTS, and you can shoot full auto there.....just no green tip (it tears up the steel targets). Guests shoot for $20 for all day, but heck, I'll even pay for your range fee just to have a chance to handle that thing and maybe fire a few rounds. I'd never heard of that rifle before, but I looked it up, and I think it would be an interesting weapon to own.......although there is probably no way I could afford to buy one on today's market.

I'm curious..... Did you buy it before or after 1986?

[ScottDLS]

I have a little Ciener 22lr kit for my Ruger AC556 automatic carbine. Normally it's 5.56, but that gets costly on full auto. Plus with its 13" bbl it's loud as heck. With the 22lr kit it runs like a mac10 on crank...It sounds like an angry hornet and must be running around 1200 rpm. I figure I could cut the bad guy in half with it... However it tends to jam every 30 rds or so.

Can we have a play date some time?

If I could find somwhere to shoot full auto outdoors....I used to go up to Sanger...

Seriously I've got to find a silencer that will go on the Ruger...My ears ring even with plugs and earmuffs. Maybe you and AndyC can show me how to build one on a form 1. I can't afford any more full auto these days, but with the CLEO sign off requirement gone I may want a can for the AC556

I'm a member at ETTS, and you can shoot full auto there.....just no green tip (it tears up the steel targets). Guests shoot for $20 for all day, but heck, I'll even pay for your range fee just to have a chance to handle that thing and maybe fire a few rounds. I'd never heard of that rifle before, but I looked it up, and I think it would be an interesting weapon to own.......although there is probably no way I could afford to buy one on today's market.

I'm curious..... Did you buy it before or after 1986?

I bought it in 2004 from a Class 3 dealer in Cedar Park (near Austin). It was about $5K , It's the Ruger AC556 Blue Folder and what's cool is it has semi, 3rd burst, and full-auto. The problem with this gun is it's kind of an orphan. Ruger stopped working on them about 6 years ago when they ran out of pre-86 parts and they don't make them any more for LE/Military, since they never caught on. It's basically a short barreled Mini-14 in full auto. Some parts are interchangeable with Mini-14. Last time I took it out, about 8 years ago I lost a receiver screw and just replaced it with MIni-14 part. Putting the Ciener kit in can get a little finicky and I'm actually anxious to make sure it's still good on 5.56 ammo.

I'll PM you and maybe we can meet up some weekend and see how it works on 5.556 again. I'll bring my MAC10/9 too.

[cmgee67]

I didn't state that the 22 will be my self defense rifle. That is what my AR is for. But its replacing the AR in the truck because I'd rather have it stolen than the AR. I'd actually prefer nothing to be stolen lol. And it's main purpose is for critters.

The words "truck gun" have different meanings depending on location. When folks in an urban area talk about a truck gun, or trunk gun, they are talking about a defensive rifle. Out on a farm, the truck gun is used for critters... personally, my truck gun was a Marlin .30-30. It was up to the task no matter what critter I came across.

And if I had to I could use to defend myself. This is not a self defense rifle but basically an OSR ( oh _______ rifle ).

Agree. Could be used for defense, if need be.

And adults can handle the recoil of an AR but not all of them. My fiancé who is 115lbs soaking wet can't shoot the AR well because it kicks but she can shoot the 22 in the same hole rapidly. So carrying a big gun isn't about the man card. Sometimes a smaller option is ok.

I'm sorry, but if the fiance can't handle the recoil of the AR, then something else is wrong. I bet it is more noise related than physical recoil. I've seen children as young as 7 and 8 yrs old handle ARs.

So there is a pro to the .22lr over the AR... much less noise.

And a Ruger Bx mag holds 25 ok?? They can snap together so you have 50'rounds really quick.

Yep, just like AR mags can be taped together in a similar fashion.

Rim fire is not as reliable but using quality ammo makes a big difference.

True, but even high quality .22lr ammunition is prone to misfire more than surplus 5.56mm.

This is all a matter of opinions. I personally wouldn't want to get shot with anything.

Agree.

A buddy of mine told me his friend was a Deputy in Arkansas and got shot with a 22 in the abdomen the bullet bounced around and lodged in His heart killing him.

Don't doubt this one bit. A .22lr can be lethal. However, I bet that deputy was able to return fire, and quite possibly died at the hospital. If I am in a defensive shooting, I want to stop the threat ASAP. I want them down without the ability to return fire.

So all in all i understand all of yalls valid points. This is why I like this forum. People can do this and stay civilized. I have been on other cites where such is not the case

Personally, I enjoy a good discussion and debate... that is what a "discussion forum" is all about, right? Be kinda boring if we all had the same opinion!

Nothing is wrong if she can't handle an Ar. I have seen kids shoot it as well. She doesn't like the way it kicks and it scares her a little bit so she chooses the 22. She can shoot the AR and has before but doesn't like how loud it is but the funny thing is she shoots my glock 21 and likes it lol. Everybody is different nobody is the same. I enjoy a good discussion as well. It's always good to jabber a bit! Good thing is people on here for the most part keep it civilized because you know one day I could rely on you to save my tail you never know.

[rotor]

FYI, Atwoods is having the Henry Survival AR-7 Rifle on sale starting tomorrow (7/27/16). I bought 2 of them a million years ago when they were Armalite for $49 each at Western Auto. No longer that price but they are good little truck guns, have always worked well, store into a floatable nothing and are fun to shoot.

[Soccerdad1995]

I really like my 10-22, but .22LR lacks the penetration I feel is necessary for a self-defense weapon and I've experienced way more misfires with rim-fire ammo than center-fire.

Jeff

I agree that it would not be my first choice in a self defense situation, but I think more about an excrement contacting the rotating turbine situation, where grocery shelves are empty, and I need to feed myself and my family. Despite what a lot of peppers believe, the woods will not be full of deer and elk for the taking, but squirrel, raccoon, possum, and rabbit (notice how small game,all have double consonants in their name?) will be more readily available, easier to process and can all be taken by 22lr. I think a 223 round will destroy too much edible meat. So I keep a large supply of 22 and will be adding another 22 rifle to my collection soon. Also while it may not be reliable as a one shot, one kill option, I'm not going to hang around while you try to hit my vital zones, with one.

I'm not gonna hang around and let you shoot a BB gun at me either. That doesn't make a BB gun a valid self-defense weapon.

A .22 rifle has it's place in your toolbox. But it shouldn't be your only self defense / survival tool.

[bblhd672]

FYI, Atwoods is having the Henry Survival AR-7 Rifle on sale starting tomorrow (7/27/16). I bought 2 of them a million years ago when they were Armalite for $49 each at Western Auto. No longer that price but they are good little truck guns, have always worked well, store into a floatable nothing and are fun to shoot.

Where did you see that? I'm looking at the Atwoods.com web site and don't see an ad for it. I'm driving past the store in Waco tomorrow and would stop if they have them there.