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drinks wrote:Stevie, do you also write about hippopotamuses, octopusses and rhinorocerusses , too?

:lol: :shock: :roll:
Why should a responsible citizen be barred from carrying in any manner, anywhere?
Please do not give the PC and Liberal by rote answers, give a real reasoned answer.
Yep, if I have to, I can...

What makes "you" think I support or condone the barring of a "responsible citizen" from carrying a firearm for lawful purposes, in any manner, anywhere???

There are many movements on this issue that are being addressed at many college campuses in this country...I wish them well, and if I feel I can contribute for them to regain this right I will...

What are you going to do???

And as far as my comment about Kevin and Frankie having a very interesting discussion about this issue, I'm with Kevin on the fact that I would trust my back to both of them as well...
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seamusTX wrote:
Dwight K. Schrute wrote:I'd like to hear thoughts on the officer's comments from everyone;
He's between a rock and a hard place. His superiors, who can fire him, don't want weapons on campus. He has to enforce their rules. But it sounds like he is on the right side.

- Jim
Yep, sounds like his hearts in the right place, but he’s saddled with policy. Kudos to him for giving you that answers. After all, if you pass that on to the wrong folks in the administration, his life could get a lot more complicated…

As to the question “Should students be allowed to carry�, my answer is a resounding yes…and that includes classrooms.

But, in the present world, the campus policy is students can’t carry anywhere on school property, and that includes parking lots, and you are definitely aware of the rules.

So, as with most things in life, you have to make a decision, and rhetoric aside, there’s no clear cut answer in my mind.

It comes down to a trade off in possibilities/odds:

1. The odds you will need the weapon while traveling to or from campus

2. The odds you will be in a situation where you will need the weapon on campus, and the vehicle is close enough for you to gain access in time

3. The odds the campus police will have PC to believe you have a weapon in your car and initiate a search

4. The odds you get caught in a random search

This is really no different then the problem many employed Texans face every day…to carry, or not to carry…that is the question

The odds of 1 is probably statistically low. 2 and 4 are probably approaching extremely small numbers, and 3 is pretty much dependent on your actions when you disarm and your ability to keep your mouth shut.

It’s a classic risk management discussion. There are typically 2 parameters taken into account. What is the risk of the ___ (fill in the blank) happening, and what’s the penalty if it does.

If both risk and outcome are both low, then leave it alone…it’s not worth worrying about.

If risk is low, but outcome is very bad, then it’s worth looking at closer.

If both are high, then action is definitely required!

The problem here is options 1 & 4 fall into the low risk of happening category, but they both have potential for heavy penalties associated with them.

In 1, one possible worst case scenario is you end up robbed, injured, or dead…I call that bad.

But in 3 & 4, the risk of happening is low, but the penalty is you could be kicked out of school, with the end result being your total lifetime earnings could be severely impacted. As a minimum, you may have to find another school and be out your expenses.

While this is a good moral discussion, and one we should have, in the final analysis…for you…it becomes a risk trade-off decision. Just like for all the employees who are forbidden to have weapons in the place of work, to include their car in the company parking lot…and the decision is no easier for them.

Look close at your options, and then make up your mind. But remember, regardless of what anyone on this forum states they would do, you're the one who will have to deal with any outcomes of your decision. So make it rational, and leave the rhetoric out of it.
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Post by waltherone »

He made it very clear that while they cannot LEGALLY stop me from carrying on campus (as a citizen) because the campus is not posted 30.06, they can punish me (as a student) because it is "university policy".
Wait... hopefully I wasn't grossly misinformed, but I thought you couldn't carry on school campuses per the penal code? I though it prohibited concealed carry on campus, school sponsored events (sporting events, etc)??

Am I wrong on that?

I'm referring to LEGALLY, not policy-based if you're a student. Can you not be PROSECUTED for carrying on campus? If not, can someone please explain what I'm misreading in the code?
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Post by waltherone »

I refer to this:
§ 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly
possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or
prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or
educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being
conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or
educational institution, whether the school or educational
institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution;
....................*SNIP*.............................
(f) It is not a defense to prosecution under this section
that the actor possessed a handgun and was licensed to carry a
concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
(g) An offense under this section is a third degree felony.
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Post by TexAg08 »

Look up the definition of "Premises" as defined in the Texas PC. Then you'll have your answer about carrying on school grounds.
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Post by waltherone »

Ahh, good call sir. So I still can't carry in CLASS, which is what I had my hopes up for anyway :)

Get out of class at 9:45pm and get to walk to my car in downtown houston, unarmed (till I get to the car) :(
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a
building. The term does not include any public or private driveway,
street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other
parking area.
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Post by Will938 »

waltherone wrote:Ahh, good call sir. So I still can't carry in CLASS, which is what I had my hopes up for anyway :)

Get out of class at 9:45pm and get to walk to my car in downtown houston, unarmed (till I get to the car) :(
About the best you can do is carry a knife, pepper spray, or a stun gun of some sort. None of those are prohibited on campus by the law...I would get someone else to support that statement however.
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KBCraig you could carry openly downtown houston or Manhattan but make no mistake about it, you would be taken down for creating a disturbance.The meare presence of a deadly weapon, short or long barrel would win you a one way trip to the slammer.. :shock:
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Fragger wrote:KBCraig you could carry openly downtown houston or Manhattan but make no mistake about it, you would be taken down for creating a disturbance.The meare presence of a deadly weapon, short or long barrel would win you a one way trip to the slammer.. :shock:
Life sentence, huh? :roll:
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happened down south main in houston , don't know what the charges were :roll:
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Fragger wrote:KBCraig you could carry openly downtown houston or Manhattan but make no mistake about it, you would be taken down for creating a disturbance.The meare presence of a deadly weapon, short or long barrel would win you a one way trip to the slammer.. :shock:
Not for Quannel X...Remember the Republican Convention down at the GRB a few years ago??? I think that was before the 2004 election...

He and his merry band of thugs circumnavigated around and outside the convention with rifles/shotguns at "port arms", they even assaulted an older gentleman who decided to have a few words with him, and nothing became of that spectacle...
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