Motorist Killed After Leading Police On 1 Hour Chase

[Mike1951]

I find the CIA's denials to be no more credible than Mr. Carnaby's claims.

And with the admission that he was reaching for a cell phone rather than a gun, the clouds aren't going away.

[Lumberjack98]

I am very interested in how this story unfolds.

[lws380]

Don't run from the law. Especially for an hour. Bad things are likely to happen in some way.

[Mike1951]

It will be very interesting to see if he placed any phone calls during that hour.

Who he called, if anyone, could be very revealing.

[srothstein]

This whole thing is so strange.

Looking at the video it appears as though he was shot exiting the vehicle, after he had reached back inside... not while he was reaching back inside.

It appears he was shot as the officer rounded the car door.

It does not make any sense to me that the officers, with information that the occupant might be armed, would approach the driver like that.

Knowing that the driver might be armed, I'd take cover and try and talk the driver out.

Very strange. Plenty of food there for conspiracy theorists...

One of the things we need to remember is that officers are humans. They have a tendency, unless very well self trained, to get into the arrest mode and run up on suspects after a chase. They don't usually think about being shot or the suspect being armed.

As an example, this is what convinced me that teleportation is real. I was helping on a quadrant for an armed robbery. When we got the guy cornered and he ran around the building, I drove around to cut him off. I stopped and bailed out of the car and was to the right front corner when I saw the gun in his hand. The next thing I knew, I was standing behind the car thinking "keep the tires and engine between him and me". Since I know I did not turn around and run back, teleportation is the only explanation I can come up with. I had gotten into the chase him down and make the arrest mode and forgotten completely that he was an armed robber who had already fired shots at least once.

Something similar could have happened in this case.

[dukalmighty]

He might of thought it was an agency attempt to "sanction" him for running his mouth about covert ops,some people dismiss as too strange to be true I've said enough I don't wanta be shot during a botched SWAT raid at the wrong address

[Bill]

Ch 26 had a segment on last night, of course they played it as they were privy to special info. Unfortunately there was not one statement that could prove who he was. His book signed by George Tenant could have been the deal if it had said "To a great employee" but I could not read it when they showed it and my son came blasting in the middle. He had tons of pictures from all sort of people but thus does not prove anything. I was going to call Hoff but that might be rude if was a good friend. I think time will tell, it usually does.
There is a little more info http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5744733.html

[gregthehand]

Ok first off let me say that I have NEVER worked for any branch of the goverment as some kind of spy or intelligence officer. However when I was in the military I worked a high headquarters level and I got to interact with a fair amount of people who were in the intel field.

THEY DON'T GO AROUND WITH NEAT LITTLE ID CARDS THAT THEY SHOW TO EVERYONE AND TELL THEM WHAT A SUPER NEAT SPY THEY WERE/ARE AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!

If you find most in a secure area they will just say they are a contractor for General Dynamics, or Raytheon, etc etc. Come on! The guy was in Houston even though he was supposed to be overseas and mentioned something about a fiance even though he was married. I smell bull on the highest level.

Oh and the new Houston Chronicle article isn't mentioning anything about a CHL but Fox News still is. I'm hoping he just said he had one and really didn't.

No matter what proof comes out against this guy his family will call it an elaborate CIA cover-up. Because you KNOW they will have to cover-up that he worked for them EVEN THOUGH HE HAS BEEN MAKING PUBLIC APPEARANCES AND TELLING EVERYONE THAT HE MEETS THAT HE IS A CIA FIELD AGENT!

If he was and could tell people he was, he wouldn't have to sneak around. Most people who do work at the CIA aren't even allowed to tell others what they do! Even if it's just some admin job!

The reason why he was so well traveled was because his family owned a shipping company!!!!!

Oh man sorry folks... I just hate fakes and this guy looks like a big fake.

[Keith B]

Most people who do work at the CIA aren't even allowed to tell others what they do! Even if it's just some admin job!

Actually, most of them DO have ID cards and can say they work for the agency and their function (analysts, admin, officer, etc.) The veil of mystery cloak that used to exist is not really there any more. The ones that are in covert ops in Field Service won't have a CIA ID, and as you said probably won't admit they work there. However, the overt ones (analysts, admins, some officers, etc.) will usually tell you. They may not tell you exactly what they work on, but they don't cover it up that they are with DHS (CIA.)

[gregthehand]

Actually, most of them DO have ID cards and can say they work for the agency and their function (analysts, admin, officer, etc.) The veil of mystery cloak that used to exist is not really there any more. The ones that are in covert ops in Field Service won't have a CIA ID, and as you said probably won't admit they work there. However, the overt ones (analysts, admins, some officers, etc.) will usually tell you. They may not tell you exactly what they work on, but they don't cover it up that they are with DHS (CIA.)

Not to get too argumentative but I didn't mean to say they didn't have ID cards, just that they didn't go around showing them and saying look how neat I am with my card.

As for the other thing about people saying what they do my post was a little confusing aI guess what I meant to say is that most can't get into specifics.

[Paladin]

They may not tell you exactly what they work on, but they don't cover it up that they are with DHS (CIA.)

Exactly. I've known folks who worked for the CIA and Secret Service. Normally they will tell you they work for a certain agency. They will not tell you what they do for that agency.

[Keith B]

Actually, most of them DO have ID cards and can say they work for the agency and their function (analysts, admin, officer, etc.) The veil of mystery cloak that used to exist is not really there any more. The ones that are in covert ops in Field Service won't have a CIA ID, and as you said probably won't admit they work there. However, the overt ones (analysts, admins, some officers, etc.) will usually tell you. They may not tell you exactly what they work on, but they don't cover it up that they are with DHS (CIA.)

Not to get too argumentative but I didn't mean to say they didn't have ID cards, just that they didn't go around showing them and saying look how neat I am with my card.

As for the other thing about people saying what they do my post was a little confusing aI guess what I meant to say is that most can't get into specifics.

Oh, sorry Greg, didn't mean to sound like I was disagreeing, just clarifying. You are correct, they usually DON'T go around bragging. And the 'no specifics or details' is exactly right. They could tell you but then they would have to kill you!

I liken this guys bragging to those that really are well off financially vs. those that want to portray they are. Those that are will usually mention that money is not an issue in passing when you talk about price and that is it. Those that want to pretend they are financially independent will expound on how well they are doing and try to flaunt their supposed wealth. When you really get down to it, they usually deep in debt and way over their heads in owed money.

There are a lot of 'wanna-be's' out there and unfortunately this guy apparently was one. Sometimes they even get into a mental state where they start believing it themselves. It is sad, and we may never know the real story about this guy and why he thought he was an operative. However, if he really had been one, he would have stopped the vehicle, played it cool, let them do their job and been on his way and dealt with any other issues later.

[Paladin]

This whole thing is so strange.

Looking at the video it appears as though he was shot exiting the vehicle, after he had reached back inside... not while he was reaching back inside.

It appears he was shot as the officer rounded the car door.

It does not make any sense to me that the officers, with information that the occupant might be armed, would approach the driver like that.

Knowing that the driver might be armed, I'd take cover and try and talk the driver out.

Very strange. Plenty of food there for conspiracy theorists...

One of the things we need to remember is that officers are humans. They have a tendency, unless very well self trained, to get into the arrest mode and run up on suspects after a chase. They don't usually think about being shot or the suspect being armed.

As an example, this is what convinced me that teleportation is real. I was helping on a quadrant for an armed robbery. When we got the guy cornered and he ran around the building, I drove around to cut him off. I stopped and bailed out of the car and was to the right front corner when I saw the gun in his hand. The next thing I knew, I was standing behind the car thinking "keep the tires and engine between him and me". Since I know I did not turn around and run back, teleportation is the only explanation I can come up with. I had gotten into the chase him down and make the arrest mode and forgotten completely that he was an armed robber who had already fired shots at least once.

Something similar could have happened in this case.

I believe that you are correct. In the heat of the chase, it's all too easy to forget felony stop procedure. And I do believe that the officer felt a genuine fear for his safety that initiated the shooting.

Still, I wouldn't want to be the officer, under a microscope, facing an investigation on this shooting. The facts and the video show a strange end to a strange situation.

[DoubleJ]

As an example, this is what convinced me that teleportation is real.

Don't you wish you could harness that? I mean, wouldn't that be nice, make that commute to work so much easier.

[Rayden]

This is just a weird situation, and in hind sight, it is even more weird