I think you chaps are at cross purposes here. Seems to me that marksiwel's point is that Germany was going down regardless. If the UK and USA hadn't done it, Russia would have (and, to a large extent, did). Both Churchill and Patton understood this, and the Soviet threat, but sadly Roosevelt sold Poland and much of Europe to Stalin, in exchange for getting the UN established.SkydiverRick wrote:Not to be argumentative but.....marksiwel wrote:I'm speaking of the end of the War. Russia could have beaten Germany without any US help, but they would have been running mainland Europe. As unpopular as these seems, the USA role in WW2 alittle overblown, compared to the almost nonexistent recongization of Russia's influence and help to defeat the Germans. Remember they Captured Berlin not US.
I was speaking to what was, not to what might of been. We freed France from Germany not Russia. Do you think D-Day was overblown? How about when we convinced the Japanese to surrender?
Anyway, while I hold no brief for the French, didn't they help the US get its independence in the first place?