Now I know why so many people get upset when I am in their homes, it must be my gun! I think next time I go into someones house, I will disarm. Everyone will feel better, there will be no complex of superiority of deference and all parties present can come to terms on a common ground. :D
I don't think I have a lot of frineds that are anti-gun, and if they were I would really want to carry in their house, just to make me feel better.
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Well, of course, not all Brits have an anti-gun attitude. My friend Bill Davison and his wife Alice do not, but they no longer live in England, but here - and that's why they live here. There is no place for them in England, thank goodness. They run TacPro Shooting Center, between Stephenville and Mingus.
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When my CHL arrives, I intend on carrying everywhere the is not limited by law. I agree with everyone else with reguards to the subject so I will not rehash what has been said.
I did want to take this a step further. Along the same line, say you were going out with some people who were, as in Andrew's situation, friends of your wife and you get the restraunt or other location only to discover that there is a 30.06 sign. Would you politely request a diffrent location and explain the reason taking a chance of ruining the evening or would you suck it up and lock you weapon in the car and go in and eat even though you may be uncomfortable without your gun?
I did want to take this a step further. Along the same line, say you were going out with some people who were, as in Andrew's situation, friends of your wife and you get the restraunt or other location only to discover that there is a 30.06 sign. Would you politely request a diffrent location and explain the reason taking a chance of ruining the evening or would you suck it up and lock you weapon in the car and go in and eat even though you may be uncomfortable without your gun?
dws1117,
Depends on the people, the neighborhood, whether there are other restaurants nearby, and where the car is relative to the restaurant, among other things.
I am not as worried about offending people as perhaps I should be. Might just say, "The 30.06 sign means I'm not welcome here... if y'all really want to eat here, I'll catch a bite at Mickey D's and meet you later." Or, if the situation seems "safe enough" I might say something like, "Right back, I forgot something in the truck." or " I guess I need to leave my sidearm in the truck."
Illustrative story:
A couple years ago the CFA International (big cat show - no, all ours are walk-ins, not pedigreed, but it is interesting to see all the fancy cats) was at the George Brown convention center - which was posted (prob'ly still is).
Some friends (ICPs - Internet Cat People) came down from Austin and stayed over at our place, to go to the show Sunday. One of them said she'd drive the four of us in her SUV. I was hesitant but got her aside and mentioned that the Brown was posted and my sidearm was unwelcome - I'd ride with her if I could leave it in her car.
She had zero problem with this and I was able to 1) unholster, remove and pocket slide stop, put pistol under driver's seat (sitting in back seat) upon arrival, and 2) reverse process and re-holster upon departure - all without anyone noticing (even the other person next to me). People are easily distracted and not very observant anyway. She did not (previously) know I carried, and did not seem like she thought it at all strange.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Andrew
Depends on the people, the neighborhood, whether there are other restaurants nearby, and where the car is relative to the restaurant, among other things.
I am not as worried about offending people as perhaps I should be. Might just say, "The 30.06 sign means I'm not welcome here... if y'all really want to eat here, I'll catch a bite at Mickey D's and meet you later." Or, if the situation seems "safe enough" I might say something like, "Right back, I forgot something in the truck." or " I guess I need to leave my sidearm in the truck."
Illustrative story:
A couple years ago the CFA International (big cat show - no, all ours are walk-ins, not pedigreed, but it is interesting to see all the fancy cats) was at the George Brown convention center - which was posted (prob'ly still is).
Some friends (ICPs - Internet Cat People) came down from Austin and stayed over at our place, to go to the show Sunday. One of them said she'd drive the four of us in her SUV. I was hesitant but got her aside and mentioned that the Brown was posted and my sidearm was unwelcome - I'd ride with her if I could leave it in her car.
She had zero problem with this and I was able to 1) unholster, remove and pocket slide stop, put pistol under driver's seat (sitting in back seat) upon arrival, and 2) reverse process and re-holster upon departure - all without anyone noticing (even the other person next to me). People are easily distracted and not very observant anyway. She did not (previously) know I carried, and did not seem like she thought it at all strange.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Andrew
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dws1117, have been there one time. It was not a valid 30-06 sign & the wife spotted it before I did. We were w/ a big group of family in Greenville & don't remember the name of the eatery but in the entry way it was relatively crowded & we were moving slow. The wife looks at the wall inside about 6-8 ft & pokes me saying look. It was a block letter sign too small & no reference to 30-06 and all in the owners own words. Something like "All handguns prohibited even if liscensed." Told her it was not a valid sign don't worry. Before she got comfortable w/ me carrying she worried a lot. Now she is my back up since she got hers. (and since she is my back up she stole my BUG for her purse & I had to get another but that is a different thread.) Back on topic - later she asked what I would have done if it were legal sign & I said we would have just needed to go somewhere else. She and all my family know there are a few things I am non-negotable on and have something to say even if in public. My Savior-my country & flag- our 2-A are 3 of them. May be a few more but they would have to come up. Bottom line is it is alright to say hey folks, some of us ain't welcome in here, is it alright if we go somewhere else?
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Hello Mr. BobCat,
If its a close friend (close to me or my wife), I'd just ask if he/she would mind if I carry in their house. If I really want to carry, I may also prepend that question w/ statements like I always carry, its a hassle to take it off and secure it somewhere, I even carried at work and in my home, etc.
So far, I have never carried when visiting friends. If I happen to be carrying, I just leave it in the car. This is due to my personal situation where generally there're lots of kids running/playing and I play w/ them. (Ah life is different when you have a kid.) Also, I feel its polite to not carry in any friend's house.
If its a close friend (close to me or my wife), I'd just ask if he/she would mind if I carry in their house. If I really want to carry, I may also prepend that question w/ statements like I always carry, its a hassle to take it off and secure it somewhere, I even carried at work and in my home, etc.
So far, I have never carried when visiting friends. If I happen to be carrying, I just leave it in the car. This is due to my personal situation where generally there're lots of kids running/playing and I play w/ them. (Ah life is different when you have a kid.) Also, I feel its polite to not carry in any friend's house.
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But where does it seem safe enough? Here the BG's are everywhere. The only time I have gone anywhere that was posted (and legality is questionable) was to The Rain Forest Cafe at Grapevine Mills. The only reason I went there is that is where my granddaughter insisted on having her birthday party. Although I was uncomfortable, I did go unarmed. (next year her and I have a talk). Other than that, I won't go in somewhere that is posted.[/quote]
quote="BobCat"]dws1117,
Or, if the situation seems "safe enough" I might say something like, "Right back, I forgot something in the truck." or " I guess I need to leave my sidearm in the truck"
But where does it seem safe enough? Here the BG's are everywhere. The only time I have gone anywhere that was posted (and legality is questionable) was to The Rain Forest Cafe at Grapevine Mills. The only reason I went there is that is where my granddaughter insisted on having her birthday party. Although I was uncomfortable, I did go unarmed. (next year her and I have a talk). Other than that, I won't go in somewhere that is posted.[/quote]
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That is why I put the words "safe enough" in quotes.
Yes, there is risk in every endeavor and it is wise to be aware, armed, and prepared to respond - but most people go about their daily chores not only unarmed, but unaware.
There are times and places - posted places - where I have to disarm. When I go to vote I can't carry. If I go to visit someone in a posted nursing home or posted hospital, I can't carry. The George Brown convention center was posted the last time I went to a cat show there, and I left my pistol in the car (took the slde stop so it was not usable if stolen).
I generally avoid places I can't carry, and I started this thread (a long time ago) because my wife and I were invited to a party at the home of a couple with whom she is friends. Although the topic has never come up, I assumed they would be uncomfortable if they knew I was armed. I have enough respect for their privacy (wrong word but I think you know what I mean) that I was reluctant to carry at their house - but I did it anyway, because 1) it did not hurt or inconvenience them - they never knew; 2) I'm responsible for my own safety, and my wife's (although she is responsible for her own, as well); and 3) because my concern for her friends' (assumed, not explicit) rules was less than my concern for my own right to self-defense. Had they explicitly said my sidearm was unwelcome, I would have take it to mean that I was unwelcome, and would have declined their invitation.
You are right that no place is "safe enough" in an absolute sense. However, having never had to deploy my sidearm and having not been hassled for years, or physically attacked since high school, I judge that having to disarm to, for instance, enter a posted restaurant where my wife *really* wants to go, is an acceptable risk. If I can steer us to another (unposted) place I will - but am flexible enough to depend on my lock-blade folder instead of my pistol, for an hour or two.
Stay safe.
Regards,
Andrew
Yes, there is risk in every endeavor and it is wise to be aware, armed, and prepared to respond - but most people go about their daily chores not only unarmed, but unaware.
There are times and places - posted places - where I have to disarm. When I go to vote I can't carry. If I go to visit someone in a posted nursing home or posted hospital, I can't carry. The George Brown convention center was posted the last time I went to a cat show there, and I left my pistol in the car (took the slde stop so it was not usable if stolen).
I generally avoid places I can't carry, and I started this thread (a long time ago) because my wife and I were invited to a party at the home of a couple with whom she is friends. Although the topic has never come up, I assumed they would be uncomfortable if they knew I was armed. I have enough respect for their privacy (wrong word but I think you know what I mean) that I was reluctant to carry at their house - but I did it anyway, because 1) it did not hurt or inconvenience them - they never knew; 2) I'm responsible for my own safety, and my wife's (although she is responsible for her own, as well); and 3) because my concern for her friends' (assumed, not explicit) rules was less than my concern for my own right to self-defense. Had they explicitly said my sidearm was unwelcome, I would have take it to mean that I was unwelcome, and would have declined their invitation.
You are right that no place is "safe enough" in an absolute sense. However, having never had to deploy my sidearm and having not been hassled for years, or physically attacked since high school, I judge that having to disarm to, for instance, enter a posted restaurant where my wife *really* wants to go, is an acceptable risk. If I can steer us to another (unposted) place I will - but am flexible enough to depend on my lock-blade folder instead of my pistol, for an hour or two.
Stay safe.
Regards,
Andrew
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